

(no, I couldn't decide between two equally cool pix.)
It's been a few months since we've swapped mix CDs. They've got a swap about to get going over on That Other Website...shall we follow suit?
Heck, I'll even volunteer to organize the thing if no one else wants to.
Posted by Vidiot at June 16, 2003 11:04 PM | TrackBackI'm in for this go around. who's a gonna be the swapministor?
Posted by: tj at June 17, 2003 07:45 AMWell, which do you prefer, atheletes or chicken?
Posted by: jonmc at June 17, 2003 08:25 AMI served as Swapininstrator the last time, and would be willing to do so again, unless you all were disappointed with my performance, the news of which I will take with equanimity, so don't feel compelled to dissemble (after three years as a reporter under two of the most capricious editors on the planet, it has grown very difficult to hurt my feelings).
Either way, count me in!
Posted by: Fes at June 17, 2003 09:37 AMI'll be happy to join in, and whoever wants to swapinistrate has my vote.
We could also revive the discussion of bowling shirts if anyone has found their summer wardrobes to be lacking in the sportswear category.
Posted by: tizzie at June 17, 2003 10:33 AMMy summer wardrobe is my winter wardrobe with the flannel unbuttoned. During my two years living in Miami, I still wore plaid flannel everyday. Cos I'm committed, man.
Posted by: jonmc at June 17, 2003 10:36 AMso this flannel...it vibrates?
Posted by: witchstone at June 17, 2003 11:01 AMIt doesn't vibrate, but it does render him as invisible as Wonderwoman's plane.
It also deflects bullets. And women.
Posted by: Fes at June 17, 2003 11:07 AMI deflect women without the flannel. But it does help sop up spilt beer.
Posted by: jonmc at June 17, 2003 11:09 AMre: bowling shirts... lemme check if I still have the artwork for it
Posted by: tj at June 17, 2003 11:10 AM5 bucks says jonmc's next post is about food.
Posted by: tj at June 17, 2003 11:18 AMSometimes, late at night, I stuff one of my flannel shirts with a pillow and pretend I'm talking to jonmc.
(Just talking tho, 'cause it's not like I'm a freak or anything...)
Posted by: Cyrano at June 17, 2003 11:22 AMSo did ya hear about that crazy broad at the PGA?
Posted by: jonmc at June 17, 2003 11:24 AMgimme my 5 dollars.
Posted by: jonmc at June 17, 2003 11:25 AMCry freedom and let slip the dogs of swap!
Also, can I interest anyone in receiving 5 pounds of apricots with their disc?
Posted by: kafkaesque at June 17, 2003 11:34 AMHow much is 5 dollars in tall boys and zingers anyway?
Posted by: kafkaesque at June 17, 2003 11:35 AMAlso, can I interest anyone in receiving 5 pounds of apricots with their disc?
Throw in 40 acres and a mule, and I'll be first in line.
Posted by: witchstone at June 17, 2003 11:39 AMIt can get you 4 22oz. bottles of Country Club and two bags of peanuts at the bodega over on Ave A between 7th & St Marks.
And what else does a growing boy need to get him through his commute, really..
Posted by: jonmc at June 17, 2003 11:39 AMWitchstone, will you be contributing this go round?
Posted by: kafkaesque at June 17, 2003 11:46 AMI need bifocals. I can no longer read the directions on anything. I have to ask young people how long to put my lunch in the microwave.
Anyone have Dr. Kevorkian's cell phone number?
Posted by: tizzie at June 17, 2003 11:48 AMand obviously, count me in on the swap.
Posted by: jonmc at June 17, 2003 11:48 AMI would like to play too, please.
Posted by: Cyrano at June 17, 2003 11:50 AMEh, I'ma hafta beg off on this round. Not to say that I didn't relish the fine, handcrafted sounds of the last swap CDs, but I just endured the Bataan Death March of swaps (20 CDs is too much to burn, to package, and to mail) and I still haven't even gotten half of them in return yet, so I'm a bit burned out. I'll cheer from the sidelines.
Posted by: cowboy_sally at June 17, 2003 11:51 AMI don't think I can. My CD burning neighbor has skipped town, and since I will be moving in 4 weeks or so and am already close to a nervous breakdown, this could push me over the edge.
Posted by: witchstone at June 17, 2003 11:55 AMI agree on the Qty.
I think burning more than about 5 CDs is cruel and unusual.
Posted by: kafkaesque at June 17, 2003 11:56 AMAnd I definitely support Fes as our benevolent and potentially kind overseer.
Posted by: kafkaesque at June 17, 2003 11:56 AMfes for swapintaroy duties!
Posted by: tj at June 17, 2003 12:07 PMWith vidiot's assent, I will serve. But he's got dibbs if he wants it.
So far who's in? Kaf, tizzie, jonmc, vidiot, tj, cyrano and me.
Posted by: Fes at June 17, 2003 12:10 PMI shall return to the World of Swap with this round. Count me in.
Posted by: jpoulos at June 17, 2003 12:28 PM
Do y'all like Tom Berenger movies?
[arthur conley]
Do you like good music...
(yeah, yeah)
[/arthur]
Posted by: jonmc at June 17, 2003 12:37 PMJoey, do you like movies about gladiators?
Posted by: Captain Clarence Oveur at June 17, 2003 12:45 PM[billy idol]
Do you like good music?
Do you like to dance?
(oh yeah)
[/billy idol]
Posted by: kafkaesque at June 17, 2003 12:45 PMSummer's a no go for me, as I'm working my ass off and trying to spend time with my girlfriend before she moves cross-state. I'm definitely in for Fall though.
Yay, Autumn!
Posted by: ufez at June 17, 2003 12:46 PMWe like all kinds of music
Posted by: Violent Femme(s) at June 17, 2003 12:48 PMI'm working my ass off and trying to spend time with my girlfriend
I would caution you that that's a real Gift of the Magi situation there. See if you have no ass remaining, your girlfriend may not want to spend more time with you.
Posted by: kafkaesque at June 17, 2003 12:54 PM*assumes lotus, levitates up next to Kaf, eyes radiate lambent green light*
Balance in all things, friend Ufez. Seek thee the Balance.
Posted by: Fes at June 17, 2003 01:04 PMI've never done a 9622 swap. I've done the MeFi swap and #mefi-swap.
With this I get the swap hat trick! The swap trifecta!
Count me in, please.
Posted by: salmonberry at June 17, 2003 01:06 PMCount me (and a substantial portion of my ass) in as well.
The Wise and Honorable Sensei Guru Fes-san did a swellegant job last time, though my faith in Vidiot's swapstinistrative abilities is unquestioned as well.
Let there be no wrong answer.
Posted by: Chico at June 17, 2003 01:07 PMCan lurkers join in on the fun?
Posted by: soundofsuburbia at June 17, 2003 01:21 PMI don't see why not, but I will defer to the will of the collective, as I am simply an instrument of that will, a crystal through which their power is focused into action.
psst, you're in. These fools, they have no idea the might and reach of the Swapinistratator! Bwahahahahahahahahahahah!!
Posted by: Fes at June 17, 2003 01:30 PMI don't see why not.
Posted by: tizzie at June 17, 2003 01:30 PMI say definitely, Mr. Urbia.
Posted by: kafkaesque at June 17, 2003 01:31 PMOkay, he's out in the open. Alpha team, you are cleared to intercept. Beta team, standby.
Posted by: witchstone at June 17, 2003 01:44 PMWe're picking up some attack signals between the Purple and Orange Squadrons.
Posted by: Cyrano at June 17, 2003 01:49 PM[Number 6]
I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered!
[/Number 6]
None shall harm the Lurker!
*dons gorilla suit*
Posted by: kafkaesque at June 17, 2003 01:57 PM*dons don suit*
Posted by: jonmc at June 17, 2003 02:06 PMhmmm. I will join in on the cd flinging if two things are true. 1) that the cds are due around the last week of July and 2) that we get Miguel to join in so I can send him some stuff from The Best of Joe Jackson and Joe Jackson Live. (Bonus #3: I just had to mail off 9 swap cds two weeks ago. Not as brutal as Ms. Cowboy's 20, but brutal enough. Five is a nice and reasonable number).
Posted by: eyeballkid at June 17, 2003 02:07 PMI have this to say on the subject of Joe Jackson:
He has some great and classic songs, and basically all of these songs can be had by purchasing a Best Of. Unfortunately, on the Best Of, you usually get some twaddle as well, such as Jumpin' Jive, which is truly cringeworthy.
On the whole, though, I declare Miguel to be wrong. Wrong wrong wrong.
Posted by: kafkaesque at June 17, 2003 02:12 PMThis is very true.
I have a story that will sadden you.
Last night, for no particular reason, two students in the front row of my class, Navy folk no older than 21, started singing "Fairytale of New York" during a lab.
I say, "That's the first time that someone has sang a Pogues song in my class."
They say, "It's by No Use For a Name."
*cries*
Oh my. That is indeed sad.
Posted by: kafkaesque at June 17, 2003 02:31 PMLast week of July? Seems doable.
Miguel? He is notoriously fickle, and to my knowledge has never participated in a Swap. My powers, though puissant, are disrupted by the glowering forces blazing upward from sunken Ryleh. So long as he resides on the other side of the vast and terrible Sea...? I can do little.
Perhaps, just send him what you want to send him...?
I will count you for now as "trepidatiously in" unless otherwise directed.
Posted by: Fes at June 17, 2003 02:31 PMLast week in July sounds good, since me and Lisa are hoping to be moving into NYC around August 1st. All we gotta do now is find a place.
*crossing fingers*
Posted by: jonmc at June 17, 2003 02:42 PMThis is the last time you cross me, boy!
Posted by: fingers at June 17, 2003 03:02 PMGeezus, Jon. You're moving into town? So -- so soon? Um, that's cool! Hang on...
*SFX: sound of hatches being battened down, wives & children being hid, A Salt & Battery building a large annex to accommodate Jon's extra business, etc*
Posted by: Chico at June 17, 2003 03:17 PM*balances ass*
ebk, I actually have an otherwise pretty good compilation with NUFAN's version of "Fairytale" on it. Even worse, when I saw NUFAN as an opening band about 6 years ago, they covered "Redemption Song". It was way wrong.
Posted by: ufez at June 17, 2003 03:28 PMI have never heard of this No Use for a Name, and yet I despise them.
Posted by: jpoulos at June 17, 2003 03:36 PMI'm in on a swap. I've got some new tunes in the arsenal since last time.
I also want in on the despising of No Use for a Name.
Posted by: aine42 at June 17, 2003 03:44 PMI'm in on a swap. I've got some new tunes in the arsenal since last time.
I also want in on the despising of No Use for a Name.
(post, dammit.)
Posted by: aine42 at June 17, 2003 03:45 PMGrr. Even on repeat refreshes, that didn't show up.
Ooh -- wait. I've never had problems posting before. Guess I'm an official 9622er now, eh?
Posted by: aine42 at June 17, 2003 03:46 PMaine42--are you using Mozilla? I've posted with Mozilla where I don't see the posts show up, post again, no post shows up, so I give up, launch Explorer, and see all of my posts shining clear as day. A Mozilla problem? A Mac problem? A Mozilla/Mac problem?
Who knows. I guess I'm stupid enough that I use two browsers all the time and never really put two and two together...until now, presuming you're using Mozilla.
Posted by: readymade at June 17, 2003 04:00 PMThe trick is to preview, not refresh. Preview and then scroll down to the bottom and see if your post shows up. Then, it won't actually post on the real page until either you post something else, or someone else does.
Posted by: witchstone at June 17, 2003 04:28 PMfor those in the swap.. my mix is about half done already (since I've been really bad about getting them in the mail on time).
hope you cats like lounge.
Posted by: tj at June 17, 2003 04:47 PMI had no idea that NUFAN still existed. Back in the day ::scratches head with cane:: they were pretty good. Nowadays I can't rightly cotton to what the kids are listenin' to.
Posted by: cowboy_sally at June 17, 2003 04:48 PMOnly two punk bands can be trusted to do punked up covers of non-punk tunes. One is Me First And The Gimme Gimmes and the other is the [reverent pause] Jason & The Scorchers who have a tradition of doing one punked up country cover per album. Their version of "Take Me Home, Country Roads" (audio on this page)is a thing of beauty that had an entire bookstore full of clerks howling along. Plus they're originals kick ass too.
I hath spoken.
Posted by: jonmc at June 17, 2003 04:56 PMreadymade: Usin' IE 5.1 on a Mac.
witchstone: Thanks for the tip. I'll remember it for next time. ('coz we all know there will be a next time.)
Posted by: aine42 at June 17, 2003 04:59 PMYou don't know squat about no punk rock covers, kid. When you've loved and lost and made bagels like me, then we'll talk.
Posted by: Julio the Suicidal Bagel Shop Manager at June 17, 2003 05:04 PM*cues up "Cuts Like A Knife" just for Julio*
Posted by: Vidiot at June 17, 2003 05:07 PM*feels so right*
Posted by: Cyrano at June 17, 2003 05:14 PMOne is Me First and the Gimme Gimmes.
Yes, jon, that is true. But I should warn you that MFATGG (Not to be confused with MLAAAG) is actually made up of three bands: NOFX, Swinging Utters and NO USE FOR A NAME.
Posted by: eyeballkid at June 17, 2003 06:01 PM(my point is merely this: it is one thing to cover john denver, but no one... NO ONE... has a right to cover THE POGUES!)
Posted by: eyeballkid at June 17, 2003 06:02 PMPeter Case did Pair of Brown Eyes, and the Pogues called him "some fucking yank".
Posted by: kafkaesque at June 17, 2003 06:07 PMI miss 9622 during the day.
Posted by: adampsyche at June 17, 2003 06:37 PMMake a monkey cd rom here
Posted by: Thomcatspike at June 17, 2003 06:53 PMI'm not yet technically ready - I've only just learnt how to hide the annoying little I Tunes logo. And now I can't get it back!
Boohoo!
I'll take an autumnal rain check, like Mr.Jones.
Oh and please, please, kafmeister general, do not import J** F****** J****** from That Other Place.
Posted by: Miguel at June 17, 2003 08:35 PMOh, well. Slap my ass and call me sally.
Jason & The Scorchers still rule.
Posted by: jonmc at June 17, 2003 09:19 PMOh yeah..
Julio, I've made bagels. and dinner rolls. and pizza dough. and 7-grain bread.
I got yeast and empathy to burn, motherfucker.
Posted by: jonmc at June 17, 2003 09:22 PMI'd like to be in again as well, but only if we do, like kaf said, five or fewer copies. And only if you really, really, like acapella and world music mixed in with your discredited and under-appreciated 80's gems.
Like, say, Joe Jackson.
Posted by: yhbc at June 17, 2003 11:06 PMso far?
kaf
tizzie
eyeballkid
anathema
fes
jonmc
chico
vidiot
tj
cyrano
jpoulos
salmonberry
soundsofsuburbia
aine42
yhbc
That's 15. Vidiot? I'm assuming that silence connotes assent. Parameters, then...
1. No groups bigger than five.
2. Mail date will be around the end of July.
3. At least one underappreciated Joe Jackson tune (and aren't they all, really?) on each CD.
Same deal as last time OK? Once everyone who plans to participate has weighed in, I'll list 'em and propose a deadline for CDs to be completed (hereafter the "master disk deadline"). At deadline, I will ask who's done, and that will become the master list of participants. I'll then get the last swap-group listings from my archives ("Jeeves! To the Archives!"), and correlate them against current participants so that repeat swapping is minimal (I'll try to get everyone in a group with people they didn't swap with last time) and notify everyone of number of dupes to make (again, no more than five) and who to send them to.
At that point, I will post my playlist and coverart, and encourage others to do the same. You need not send me your playlist at time master disk deadline - you individual, sacred word of honor is sufficient, as always.
I think we keep the books open up Friday noon EST, then we'll set a master disk deadline, probably two weeks from Friday (July 4). I am on vacation (Phoenix! Hell was booked) at that time, and will be incommunicado, so let's say tentative master deadline is July 7. Three weeks to burn (that 1.66~ disks per week) puts the tentative final mail date at July 28.
Good? Comments and critiques are welcomed.
Posted by: Fes at June 18, 2003 12:04 AMVidiot? I'm assuming that silence connotes assent.
Yup, I'm in. (Busy day at work yesterday, and y'all monkeys certainly are voluble.)
and shoot! Already compiled my CD...and there's no Joe Jackson on there. We'll just have to bombard Migs with e-mailed MP3s, I guess.
Posted by: Vidiot at June 18, 2003 08:07 AMFes is so sexy when he takes charge.
Posted by: tizzie at June 18, 2003 08:58 AMOne request: Can we avoid using adhesive stickers on the discs themselves. A couple of them from last time had some playback issues.
And btw, I'm sending that bastard 9252.net a demand letter. ;-)
So cool to have a lawyermonkey in the group..
Posted by: Vidiot at June 18, 2003 09:54 AMFes is so sexy when he takes charge.
I promise you'll be pleased. I'm quite thorough. I take a great deal of pleasure in a job well done.
Posted by: Fes at June 18, 2003 10:01 AMRevised parameters...
1. No groups bigger than five.
2. Mail date will be around the end of July.
3. No adhesive stickers.
3. At least one underappreciated Joe Jackson tune (and aren't they all, really?) on each CD or made available via link.
Which brings up a thing I was thinking about. Last swap, someone (adampsyche I think) uploaded his entire playlist and allowed people to download songs as they liked. Now, we do a fine bit of extra-group swapping post-mailing - would it be a good idea, perhaps, for those who are able to post playlists and upload the mp3's in similar fashion? That way, people could download at will, saving valuable burntime and postage...?
Posted by: Fes at June 18, 2003 10:14 AMAnd from now on, the only number used will be the number 3.
Posted by: Fes at June 18, 2003 10:16 AMFour shall not be the number, nor either the number two, unless you're proceeding to three. Five is right out.
Posted by: Cyrano at June 18, 2003 10:29 AMIt's the anniversary of Dylan Thomas drinking himself to death in the White Horse Tavern, which is just a few blocks up the road from where I sit.
I shall have to drop in and have a whiskey or two in his honor. Cos he wrote that poem I read once..about death and stuff.
Anyways, whiskeys in his honor. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
Posted by: jonmc at June 18, 2003 10:36 AMTrue story: Friends of mine had a baby, a son. Named him "Dylan Thomas [lastname]". I asked: "After the poet, how nice!" They reply: "Poet?" Me: *goggles*
Turns out Thomas was grandpa's name, and Dylan "...was just a name we really, really liked." HUGE 90210 viewers back in the day, these two, so I have a feeling I know wherefrom the meme originated.
As an aside, Tiffany Amber Thiessen is getting nothing but better looking. Dark hair, tough talking? My kinda grrl.
Posted by: Fes at June 18, 2003 10:43 AMI have to say quite a few of you sent me disks last swap as a result of my begging or just out of sheer kindness, and I said I'd send a disc back. You haven't been forgotten, I just haven't had the burning ability lately.
Okay, I might have forgotten Cold Chef, but only because he won't send me a nude photo like I asked.
Posted by: dong_resin at June 18, 2003 10:45 AMFunny story, but I cant really brag. I've only ever read that one poem by him. And that's cause I heard Sally Kellerman read it to Rodney Dangerfield in Back To School (Remember his analysis of the poems meaning? I found it cogent) and cause Bob Zimmerman changed his last name in his honor.
I'll let you literate folks carry on. I'll play with my rubber ball.
Posted by: jonmc at June 18, 2003 11:05 AMI never would have thought of Tommy Lee as a 90210 fan, but he & Pamela named their sons Dylan and Brandon.
??????
Posted by: witchstone at June 18, 2003 11:08 AMThe appeal of 90210 cannot adequately be explained. And therein lay some of its strength. Even (ahem) those you might not expect could easily have been devoted fans who never missed an episode.
Sometimes art just takes you, Witchy.
Posted by: Fes at June 18, 2003 11:13 AMIt's about the sideburns, right?
Sweet furry slabs of hair which harken the hyperbeing monolith from 2001.
Dylan Thomas could easily hook you, Jon, if you read some of the short stories. Try "Portrait of the Artist as a Young Dog".
Posted by: kafka from the green and verdant welsh countryside at June 18, 2003 11:31 AMMy "stepson" is named Brandon, and he was born in 1992--amidst the 90210 fever. His mom swears up and down that he's not named after the character. I've never really believed her.
Posted by: jpoulos at June 18, 2003 11:33 AM*sigh*
No-one ever gets named after the Peach Pit guy.
Posted by: kafka from the green and verdant welsh countryside at June 18, 2003 11:35 AMApropos of Welshmen, my Welsh hubby and I are spending the weekend in Morehead, Kentucky, home of the Bible & Tire store. I just thought you'd want to know.
Posted by: tizzie at June 18, 2003 11:42 AMWhat about me?
Posted by: Peach Pit Kid at June 18, 2003 11:44 AMI tell you, once you rolled on The LORD's Radials, there's no going back.
Posted by: kafka from the green and verdant welsh countryside at June 18, 2003 11:47 AMSadly, I no longer have the attention soan to read anything longer than a blog post, watch anything longer than a music video, or listen to anything longer than a 45. I'm a sad casualty of our times.
Posted by: jonmc at June 18, 2003 11:48 AMI don't mean that in any dirty kind of way, either.
Posted by: kafka from the green and verdant welsh countryside at June 18, 2003 11:48 AMThat is sad.
Posted by: kafka from the green and verdant welsh countryside at June 18, 2003 11:50 AMYes, but I still have malt liquor and cheese fries, so all is not lost.
Posted by: jonmc at June 18, 2003 11:53 AMJust ONCE I would have liked to see Silver get his punk ass rolled over by the Lord's radials.
Posted by: Fes at June 18, 2003 11:53 AMDashboard Jesus with every purchase.
I knew y'all were gonna be jealous.
Posted by: tizzie at June 18, 2003 12:03 PMSing along, kids:
I don't care if it rains or freezes
long as I got my plastic Jesus
ridin' on the dashboard of my car
Maricopa County is closing the gap on South Florida in the race to be America's Epicenter of Weird and I don't mean good weird.
Posted by: jonmc at June 18, 2003 12:18 PMDid he think that saying he thought he'd hit a cat or dog and not stopped to look was gonna make him sound like a nice guy? Bastard.
Posted by: tizzie at June 18, 2003 12:51 PMI'm naming "junior" after the entire male cast of 90210, no matter what the sex is.
And did you know that Beverly Hills High was toxic?
Posted by: readymade at June 18, 2003 02:20 PMGood.
Posted by: Vidiot at June 18, 2003 02:38 PMI'm naming "junior" after the entire male cast of 90210, no matter what the sex is.
You'd do better to name the little monkey after the entire cast of 9622. Stavromigulupopsyche, or something along those lines.
or if it's a girl romacowboytizstonecake.
Posted by: jonmc at June 18, 2003 02:46 PMI watched 90210 every week for the same reason I watched the first two seasons of 7th Heaven. They are two of the best alternate reality science fiction shows ever produced.
Posted by: eyeballkid at June 18, 2003 03:00 PMI'd love to swap, but have bad habits when it comes to this sort of thing. Mark me up as a possible, and hopefully I won't disappoint (as I did last time) when it actually comes time to deliver.
Posted by: dogmatic at June 18, 2003 03:29 PM romacowboytizstonecake
that sounds better than AliceBTolkas for a spacecake
Can I join the swap, or will that fuck up the neat fivesomeness of having fifteen participants? I have a good song about Jesus and a motor vehicle to include.
Posted by: liam at June 18, 2003 06:16 PMAll liam can do is ram a lam lam his wham a lam ling long.
to, you know, paraphrase.
Posted by: kafka from the green and verdant welsh countryside at June 18, 2003 06:18 PMThat's it. I'm headed down the road to The White Horse to celebrate Dylan Thomas in the traditional way.
"Eighteen pockies. I think that's a record."
*slump*
Fuck, liam, I was at the White Horse around 5:15. I hoisted a Bushmills and a Brooklyn Lager to the dead Welshman. Then I had a battered banger.
Life is OK.
Posted by: jonmc at June 18, 2003 10:31 PMThought about going to the White Horse, I really did. But I was super-sleepy and figured the place'd be overrun on today of all days.
How is it there? Never been.
Posted by: Vidiot at June 18, 2003 11:14 PMliam: you're in. There will be no upfucking!
Posted by: Fes at June 18, 2003 11:57 PMSpeaking of upfucking...is it just me or is Bobby Trendy the scariest being walking the earth? He may be a sign of armageddon. The Flaming Queen Of The Apocalypse or something.
Posted by: jonmc at June 19, 2003 09:02 AM"I used to be Vietnamese. But now I am a white woman," said Mr. Trendy, adjusting his diamond-encrusted lady’s Chanel watch.
That's all you need to know, folks.
Why today (or yesterday) of all days? He died in November of 1953.
Posted by: witchstone at June 19, 2003 09:08 AMOk..then it was in honor of National Ceiling Tile week.
Posted by: jonmc at June 19, 2003 09:12 AMHe died in November of 1953.
D'oh! You're right...IMDb has it as 11/9/53.
I think Jon was going off of MadamJuJuJive's post in the blue that implied -- but didn't say -- that yesterday was the anniversary.
Ah well, it just gives us an excuse to celebrate all over again come November.
Posted by: Vidiot at June 19, 2003 09:15 AMAt one point Mr. Trendy, wielding a flashlight, even implored the cameraman to "photograph my beautiful butthole."
That's right up there with "wax my anus" for celebrity moments I'm happy to have missed.
Maybe Courtney and Bobby will get together and breed the hellspawn...
Posted by: jonmc at June 19, 2003 09:38 AMThey deserve each other.
Posted by: Vidiot at June 19, 2003 10:38 AMI think I'm in the minority, but I kind of like Courtney Love.
Posted by: witchstone at June 19, 2003 11:30 AMWitchy, once upon a time I kinda dug her, I even own vinyl 45 of "Violet." I enjoyed watching her fuck with Madonna and Kurt Loder on TV. She seemed to be one of us* but she's been revealing herself as just another fucking glamorpuss celebrity, and that's the last thing the world needs.
*Who "us" are I'm not really sure, but she has been excommunicated.
Posted by: jonmc at June 19, 2003 11:40 AMI kind of like her too, witchstone, but then she does something that makes me go "Ewww." I thought she was excellent in the Larry Flynt movie.
Posted by: tizzie at June 19, 2003 11:42 AMI used to like the album with Olympia on it. I guess that's their only big album, right?
But for a long time a had trouble distinguishing between her and Chloe Webb, which is just awkward and embarrassing, so maybe it's better if I just disregard her now.
Posted by: kafkeroppe-keroppe at June 19, 2003 11:49 AMCourtney has that Tonya Harding air about her that's just never going to go away no matter how nice she cleans up for the mainstream folks. And, right or wrong, I think the people who hand out cred will always think she got where she is by vaulting over Kurt's corpse.
Posted by: Cyrano at June 19, 2003 11:50 AMSpeaking Of Chloe Webb, I was watching Queens Logic on video with my folks and remarking out loud that I thought Chloe was "cute." They looked at me like I was insane. The gulf has grown since.
Chloe is the Rosetta Stone of my alienation.
Posted by: jonmc at June 19, 2003 12:01 PMThis was years ago, obviously.
Posted by: jonmc at June 19, 2003 12:02 PMMaybe it's because I never really got into the Kurt Cobain worship. Hey, Nirvana is okay by me, but they didn't change my life or anything.
I just like the fact that there is a loose canon like Courtney out there in the music business. You never know what she might do next (like that weird awkward MTV moment with Kurt & Madonna). Most women in rock music tend to go with the flow or rebel in a more tasteful manner. And let's face it, if she were male, most people wouldn't have the same problems with her that they have--mostly because it's highly likely that as a male she wouldn't have been married to Kurt Cobain in the first place.
Posted by: witchstone at June 19, 2003 12:05 PMAnd Chloe Webb in Sid & Nancy gives what I believe to be The Most Annoying Performance Ever by Anyone. Not to mention that she's in Straight to Hell which is almost impossible to watch in spite of the fact that it should be really cool and has great music that jon probably hates.
Posted by: kafkeroppe-keroppe at June 19, 2003 12:07 PMloose canon: A saint that gets around.
Posted by: kafkeroppe-keroppe at June 19, 2003 12:08 PMOoops.
Posted by: witchstone at June 19, 2003 12:10 PMI dunno, It's starting to seem like the "loose cannon" thing was just an act, and that in her heart of hearts, she really wanted to be Jennifer Aniston or something. To people who identified strongly with the "misfit psycho" image she first presented the whole glamour girl shtick has been something of a letdown.
I mean can you imagine Janis Joplin getting cosmetic surgery and wearing Versace? I don't think so. Besides, I hold Courtney somewhat responsible for the likes of Alanis and Avril, even if her(courtney's) music was more up my alley.
Plus it's not like there was shortage of real loose cannons(Kim Gordon, L7, Bikini Kill, Babes In Toyland, etc) out there, your just not gonna hear about em in the mainstream media.
On preview, I've never actually seen Straight To hell But Joe Strummer and the Pogues are involved right? So it can't be too bad.
Posted by: jonmc at June 19, 2003 12:13 PMStraight to Hell is just total crap. It's a ninety-minute in-joke that's really not that funny. It should be seen once for the all-star cast, particularly for the Pogues as coffee addicted desperados. Also so you can get to the end of the movie and go "Elvis Costello was in that? Where was he?"
And the Pogues and Strummer tunes are great.
"Those boys look like coffee addicts to me"
Posted by: kafkeroppe-keroppe at June 19, 2003 12:18 PMI'm with Witchy in re: Nirvana in general and Cobain in particular. Without trying to start a diatribe? Nirvana was WILDLY overrated. Every time Dave Grohl takes a stage, Kurt Cobain's overratedness becomes more pronounced.
Don't EVEN get me started on The Clash.
I can take or leave Courtney Love. Mediocre faux-rebel opportunists who vault to minor celebrity on the backs of dead guitarists? Here's a dime, I'll take a dozen.
Posted by: Fes at June 19, 2003 12:19 PMI never really listened to Nirvana first go 'round, but I am appreciating them more now. I have one of their bootlegs, which is just really good. I'm not taking them as a phenomenon or cultural icon, but just on a face-value entertainment and music level.
And I won't argue about The Clash, but they are one of my favorites...right up until Combat Rock.
Posted by: kafkeroppe-keroppe at June 19, 2003 12:23 PMI'm a fan of teh Clash, and Nirvana (even though his diatribes could be annoying, his musical gifts and emotional honesty made up for them) but the Replacements did for me what none of the other bands of the time could. They didn't indulge in the cred-obsessiveness that ruined hardcore for me, they weren't straight edge tight asses, they weren't unnaproachably arty, they didn't set themselves apart from what came before, they weren't freakily exotic.
They were just four dilapidated suburban losers from nowhere who said that it's OK if you are too and that your thoughts and emotions matter as much as anyone.
Plus the songs rocked. and they had a sense of humor. and they mocked MTV openly. and the lyrics were brilliant. and they'd do Thin Lizzy and Bad Company covers live to piss off the purists.
I miss em. *sniff*
This concludes my moment of reverie.
During Nirvanna's first go 'round it was hard to separate the band from the hype, which is always annoying. Then comes the inevitable, "they're not even the best grunge band; they're just the first one to break into the mainstream so they got all the credit" whining from the True Grunge Fans.
Personally, I think I mostly hated Nirvanna because they killed glam.
Posted by: Cyrano at June 19, 2003 12:36 PMI don't think I've ever heard one Replacements song.
Posted by: kafkeroppe-keroppe at June 19, 2003 12:37 PM*compiles all-Replacements mix CD just for kaf*
Posted by: Vidiot at June 19, 2003 12:38 PMI liked Nirvana quite a bit, but the first thing I thought when I first heard them was "Man, this sounds a LOT like the Pixies." And, to his credit, Cobain did credit the Pixies as a major influence.
I *heart* the Pixies. And the Replacements. And (to a lesser degree) Nirvana. But Courtney's just annoying...Hole made a good record, but not a great one. Then she morphed into the Yoko Ono of the 1990s.
Posted by: Vidiot at June 19, 2003 12:41 PMI love the Pixies too. Never been able to get into any of the post-Pixies stuff though.
Posted by: kafkeroppe-keroppe at June 19, 2003 12:48 PMI'll send one too...
It'll be Battle of The Mats Comps.
Let's Get Ready To Rumble!!!!
Posted by: jonmc at June 19, 2003 12:49 PMI mean can you imagine Janis Joplin getting cosmetic surgery and wearing Versace?
Janis Joplin has never been more irrelevant.
Posted by: jpoulos at June 19, 2003 12:50 PMOkay, I'll admit it. I loved Nirvana. I was in a freezing car with Nigel, my first bass player, when we first heard "Teen Spirit," and we literally pulled over to the side of the road to let it finish.
At that point, all our favorite bands that were still around (we were basically a Replacements tribute act, but there was Husker Du, the Fastbacks & the Young Fresh Fellows, I'll admit I wasn't into the Pixies yet because their fans were jerks) were either in deep trouble or at our level. Nirvana was a real pep talk, that music like that could still be made.
I like the Foo Fighters too, but they're a different animal altogether: Dave Grohl freely admits he's not trying to break any new ground, and he's much more comfortable playing the corporate stadium tours than Kurt ever would.
Courtney? Openly manipulative and batshit insane. I'm glad she exists, I really like most of her music, she's a total only-in-America type of story, and every day I light a candle that she might stay far, far away from me.
(Y'all can stop rolling your eyes now. I'm finished.)
Posted by: Chico at June 19, 2003 12:50 PMI love the Replacements, who I had never heard on the radio here, but eventually heard them on the radio in Chicago.
This will sound totally dorky, but I don't like most music where I can't understand the lyrics. If it doesn't have vocals, fine - but if it does and it just sounds like mumbling, it irritates the hell out of me. I think that's why I don't like Nirvana.
Posted by: tizzie at June 19, 2003 12:51 PMI am listening to This Mortal Coil and jsut finished listening to Joy Division. I am out of touch.
Posted by: kafkeroppe-keroppe at June 19, 2003 12:56 PMand every day I light a candle that she might stay far, far away from me.
well, i wouldn't want to get closer than 15 feet myself. or anywhere in her line of vision.
Posted by: witchstone at June 19, 2003 01:04 PMI mean can you imagine Janis Joplin getting cosmetic surgery and wearing Versace?
I had a dream about Janis about six months ago. She was alive, traveling with Cher in some kind of we-survived-the-60s tour setup (big halls and small hockey arenas, pretty good dough). She was sober, but not in that preachy way, and she was married to, of all people, Jackie Chan.
I don't recall if she had had any work done. But I couldn't rule it out.
Posted by: Chico at June 19, 2003 01:06 PMI know it's become a bit of joke now, but when nirvana happened, I couldn't hear "smells like teen spirit" without hearing that boston song "more than a feeling".
I still don't like them very much because of this.
I bought the straight to hell soundtrack for 45 cents in a truck stop along with another trash bin favorite of mine, adrain belew's young lions, for a buck fifty. These are still in my top albums file. I've never managed to watch the movie. I don't wanna ruin the record.
Posted by: dong_resin at June 19, 2003 01:19 PMI am so happy right now, I may just piss myself... my NFADS (New Fast Automatic Daffodils) discs came in the mail today!
The last of my stolen CDs have been replaced!
Posted by: tj at June 19, 2003 01:45 PMYou people and your rock and roll.
My mix cd is going to be skiffle music covers of Rachmaninoff's piano concertos. I play a mean kazoo, I think you'll all be impressed.
Posted by: salmonberry at June 19, 2003 02:11 PMSpeaking of The Pixies, I'm listening to Bowie's cover of Cactus.
Posted by: witchstone at June 19, 2003 02:39 PMWas that from a movie or something? Or am I jsut remembering it from the By Request thing?
Posted by: kafkeroppe-keroppe at June 19, 2003 02:42 PMYeah, it was on the LBR, but is also on his 2002 album Heathen. I just finagled myself a free one.
Posted by: witchstone at June 19, 2003 02:46 PMRight now in my winamp...
ACDC - Put the Finger on You
James Taylor - How Sweet It Is To Be Loved By You
Molly Hatchet - Bounty Hunter
ACDC - I feel safe in NYC
Chantal Kreviazuk - Blue
Save Ferris - goodbye
Thalia - amor a la Mexicana
Throwing Muses - snake face
Bus boys - new shoes
Ian Anderson - Fly By Night
Kaki King - Night After Sidewalk, Carmine Street, Steamed Juicy Little Bun, Kewpie Station
Kenny Wayne Shepherd - blue on black
Barenaked Ladies - New kid on the block
Joan Osborne - I'll be around
Stacie Orrico - stuck
Pete Townshend - somebody saved me
Warren Zevon - roland the headless thompson gunner
I make no excuses. But what does it mean???
PS: this is not my swap playlist; this is just "Thursday, 10:30 to lunch"
Posted by: Fes at June 19, 2003 02:49 PMFes, it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Posted by: Macbeth at June 19, 2003 03:04 PMMac: I figured as much.
OK! It's well past noon, here's the Summer Swappies!
kaf
tizzie
eyeballkid
anathema
fes
jonmc
chico
vidiot
tj
cyrano
jpoulos
salmonberry
soundsofsuburbia
aine42
yhbc
dogmatic
liam
Everyone, notify me that you have a master made by JULY 7. That's like 15 days. Vidiot, tj, cyrano, dogmatic, jpoulos, soundsofsububia, aine42 and liam - I need your mailing addresses, please send them here at your convenience. vidiot, tj, cyrano, dogmatic - I need your email addresses, too. Everyone else I got.
woooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Let's SWAP!!!
Posted by: Fes at June 19, 2003 03:14 PMjonmc & Vidiot: What do you think of Westerberg's latest solo albums? Personally I think "Mono" is really rather excellent. For example.
Posted by: soundofsuburbia at June 19, 2003 06:38 PMFes - Kaki King?
Right on! I shared a bill with her in Brooklyn about six months ago. (maybe eight? it was end of last year, anyway.) There was about a dozen people in the audience (we'd both taken the gig on no notice), and I'd never heard of her.
She's incredible. That's really cool that you know her.
Posted by: Chico at June 19, 2003 07:09 PMWait, no one's even brought up the fact that Chico had a bassplayer bandmate named Nigel. I mean, hello?
I really don't like Courtney. I mean, it's unhealthy how much I despise her, despite never having met her. And I think she's a hack, and that she killed Kurt, which doesn't really bother me, but still. I know, I need to get over the whole thing.
Which is why she's on my Friendster list. For reals! We've been emailing each other about her new album and Diamanda Galas.
Posted by: cowboy_sally at June 19, 2003 09:04 PMAppropos of nothing other than my own interest in myself, but - holy shit, yhbc has posted 25 links and 1111 comments to MetaFilter. Now I'm afraid to say anything else, lest I screw up this fearful symmetry. Maybe I'll just hang out exclusively in MetaTalk for a while longer, and stalk BlueTrain.
Posted by: yhbc at June 19, 2003 10:26 PMI just returned from a night of mild to moderate carousing with my faithful steed Vidiot, in which margaritas were imbibed amongst pictures of cowgirls and cheese puppies were ingested. I also managed to retrieve your eyeballs from inside our waitresses ass, if you want them back...
Posted by: jonmc at June 19, 2003 10:38 PMDon't give me too much credit on the Kaki King thing, Chico. I was driving around running errands a couple-three weeks ago, listening to the one public-supported true-alternative radio station in St. Louis (they have a great morning show on weekends with incredible stuff no one has ever heard of) and they played Kaki King (apparently she has an album coming out). I've always enjoyed guitar instrumentals (Segovia, Vai, Cooder, etc) and this was REALLY good, so I called up the station, got her name, and that night winmx'd her; nicked a few mp3's from her website, too. My only beef is that the songs are so short.
What's cool is that you played a gig with her! What's she like? In her pictures, she looks kind of (ahem) disaffected and seethy, which is belied by the sort of sprite ebullience of her work.
Tell me everything, omit nothing!
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Posted by: Fes at June 20, 2003 02:08 AMSteed? Uh, no.
I also managed to retrieve your eyeballs from inside our waitresses ass, if you want them back...
ah, so THAT'S what I get for that message I left on your answering machine...
oh, and s_o_s, I haven't heard that much of Westerberg's solo stuff. It's kind of sad and horrible that I say this, but he was a better songwriter before he got sober. (but at least this way he'll fade away rather than flame out at an all-too-young age.) Does he have a new album out?
Vidiot: Yeah, I agree. Although the two records he released as Grandpaboy last year shows that there's still fire in his belly. At least if you ask me.
Pitchfork review that backs me up here.
That said, today is Midsummer!!
Celebrations kick off with the raising of the "Midsummer pole," (Maypole), which is decorated with birch leaves and wild flowers, flags and other decorations; and everyone sings and dances around the pole. For most, this is a weekend of merriment, and socialising. This is an excellent time to visit Sweden and experience the best of Swedish tradition and hospitality.
And see 90% of Sweden's population drubk out of their tiny minds! Come on over! Skål!
Posted by: soundofsuburbia at June 20, 2003 10:26 AM10> PARTY
20> GET "STARTED"
30> GOTO 10
Thank you lucky stars I'm drinking beers right now instead of compiling mix cd's. Cos where the beers go in, Crack Village comes out.
Posted by: soundofsuburbia at June 20, 2003 12:31 PMEveryone raise a pole to midsummer!
*smiles happily at the thought*
Posted by: tizzie at June 20, 2003 01:47 PMfishfucker is BACK! BACK IN FORCE.
and he'll play your cd swapping game and raise you a trip to vegas.
nah. i got all sorts of crazy shits for y'all. i just want to get in jonmc's group so i can send him a disc full of goth music. goth music and happy hardcore.
(fishfucker high-fives jonmc).
Posted by: fishfucker at June 21, 2003 01:00 AMdid i mention he's also on his 12th beer? so someone remind me i'm supposed to swap CDs, because i'm not going to remember this.
PUNK ROCK 4EVAH.
Posted by: fishfucker at June 21, 2003 01:01 AMI just got here. What did I miss?
I'd like to swap, if I may be so bold.
Bah. Missed it by that much . . . er, 69 hours, or so. Maybe next time.
Posted by: mikrophon at June 23, 2003 10:06 AMOK, for fishfucker and mikrophon, the Book shall be opened. Master disks by July 7. Send me emailers and mailing addresses, yes?
Posted by: Fes at June 23, 2003 12:33 PMThe Swapinator has spoken, and he is a righteous dude.
Posted by: tizzie at June 23, 2003 01:37 PMMost righteous, indeed. Word to the superest power.
Now, to address:
1. Fes, Kaki King looks like she's about 12 years old and has, I don't know, Pink posters on her walls. She could have skateboarded into the place and no one would have been surprised. And then she climbed in behind her guitar and proceeded to blow the lights out. She is sweet in person; very quiet but friendly, and yes, she's stellar live.
2. Not only did I used to have a bass player named Nigel, but he was -- well, maybe not a white supremacist, but quite far to the right, politically. (Why were we in a band together, then? He had a car, a bass and enthusiasm. I had never met any musicians before, so hey, beggars and choosers. And it wasn't like we let him write.) He never actually played a gig with us; he followed some chippy to Vancouver the week of our first gig, and last I heard, he had changed his worldview completely and had become the shop steward for a union or something.
Real interesting guy. You know, for a fascist.
Posted by: Chico at June 23, 2003 02:17 PMLate, as ever.
Worst performance by anyone ever: Joey Lauren motherfucking Adams screeching through Chasing Amy.
Posted by: mikrophon at June 24, 2003 02:39 PM**smacks taste out of mikrophones mouth**
Blasphemer. I not only love that movie, I lived it.
Posted by: jonmc at June 24, 2003 02:50 PM