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Well, if you had Steve Buscemi for a father, you'd have a long face as well!

"Honey, why is the cat dead? And why does it smell like monkey semen?"


"Also, where the hell is all the damned peanut butter?"

i think i'm the only human being alive who thinks steve buscemi is really hot.

i get mocked a lot.

I'm guessing there's a 90% probability that this will cause an ugly argument on the blue page within the next three days.

(Posted here so I can say "I told you so" at some point. Plus Steve really enjoyed his McDonald's food in Big Daddy, so there's a tenuous connection.)

off topic-did you hear about the guy that got killed when he fell into a vat of chocolate at work? seriously!
Gives "death by chocolate" a whole new meaning.

BTW, that monkey has a heartbreakingly sad face.

Poor thing.

pikachu, can't go all the way with you to "hot" but there's definitely something interesting and intense about him. so i say: go for it! and take pictures! crazy monkey sex pictures!

FINALLY! someone who doesn't berate me for my bizarre taste!

witchstone, what are your feelings on every single member of kids in the hall?

cos i get a lot of shit for that one, too.

i've never seen the show, i don't think. well, maybe one where they were dressed up as women (but from what i've heard, that's every show). i'll have to do a little research on that one.

that reminds me of the pisode of Gilligan's Island I saw-- it was the one where they almost get off the island.

i think i saw that one!

on another note, why would anyone think that cherry skins in yogurt is a Good Idea?

Roach traps : $7.50
Can of Black Flag : $4.50

Being spared the shock of the answer to the above question : Priceless.

i'm still eating it you know. sheesh.

I'd just like to say I told you so.*

*Note: "Ugly argument" has not actually begun. This is pre-gloating.

pikachu lolita; if I may offer my 2 cents about the Kids in the Hall? As far as I'm concerned, pretty much any of them could lick my mail (well, maybe not Scott Thompson; not that he'd want to). And the dress-wearing thing is just a bonus, isnt it? Heh.

"I am crrrushing your heeead!"

And the dress-wearing thing is just a bonus, isnt it?

That's like the 50th time online, that I've heard a female admit attraction to cross-dressing( or at least gender bending) males. I've never heard a female cop to such things in meatspace.

Ok, Riddle Me This, FeMonkeys..What's the attraction? I don't get it. Not that I'd ever do such a thing, but still, I'm baffled...

Okay, I don't claim to speak for every FeMonkey here, but a big reason I find it appealing is: for any man to risk ridicule and wear "girls" clothes in public takes an enormous amount of self-confidence; I think we can all agree that self-confidence is sexy.

Also, there is sexyness in the gender-bending aspect of it as well. I think it's comparable to Marlene Dietrich wearing men's outfits in the 30's - shocking, but titillating at the same time.

because a guy who's not afraid to dress up like a woman is:
1) in touch with his feminine side, which we chicks just GAG for
2) confident enough to do it without worrying about getting beat up; we also seem to love that whole confidence thing
3) it's funny. girls loves da funny.
4) sometimes it's sexy (dave foley). sometimes it's less funny and more cute (bruce mccullough). but most of the time, it's in some way attractive.
5) girls are pretty. i like girls myself, so i'm somewhat biased, but everyone knows girls are hot. even if it's in this kind of nonsexual way. so, boys dressed as girls can combine the hotness of girls (soft, boobies) and the hotness of guys (penis, low voice).

i hope that works. :)

also, a crossdressing guy can fit any one of those descriptions, not necessarily all of them at once.

I agree, P.L. - it says a lot about a guy who is honest enough with himself and his preferences that he'll wear a dress (or whatever) in public. I think it means admitting to himself and the world that there is a grey area between strictly "homo" and strictly "hetero", and he (along with most people, in my opinion!) falls in that huge divide.

For the record I'm totally turned on by women in neckties and men's clothes and the like.
Really underscores the femininity.

Guys cross dressing, though, is simply wrong and makes me want to set fires in enclosed public places.

Except for Iggy pop, of course.

I'd just like to point out, for the record, that I am in touch with my feminine side, confident, funny, sexy, and have never once had the desire to put on women's clothing.

Of course, being six-and-a-half feet tall and two hundred and *mumble* pounds does tend to limit one's wardrobe choices, even when wearing the clothing designed for one's actual gender.

I, personally, don't dig it.

While I do love "da funny" and gag over guys in touch with their feminine side, a man in women's clothing or makeup is highly unattractive to me.

I'm just not inclined to get squirmy over a dude who puts that much effort into his appearance.

I have no desire to crossdress, but Eddie Izzard is my favorite comedian.

And Peter Scolari's finest work, I think, was in Bosom Buddies.

see though, there's a difference between, say, kids in the hall crossdressing and, say, Total Transvestite Extravaganza. i don't find the latter attractive, but the lightweight version (or just a boy in a girlie t) i find very hot.

That's interesting to me, pikachu, as most girls I've known slant towards the Brittney point of view.
Is your attraction similar to mine, in that the clothes of the opposite sex sort of bring out that which is specific to the sex you're attracted to?

Also, Eddie Izzard is pretty great.

i suppose it is similar to yours, dong, yeah. add into the mix the fact that i am also attracted to girls, and there might be a clearer answer.

i'd like to add that this stupid predilection makes me flock to gay men like bitches to a kitchen.

Think you have it bad?
Try having to avoid the doomgaze of every haggard security chick at the airport xray walk-through who catches you giving her ample pseudo-cop uniform encased boobs a sidelong glance.

Also loveable in their own way are drunk-driving cross-dressing beer-lovers.

While I don't find men in women's dress particularly appealing, I'm totally with you on the Steve Buschemi thing, Pikachu Lolita.
I also have a inexplicable attraction for Billy Bob Thornton.

I know, I know...I don't understand it either.

i also have a thing for fat depressed guys.

*cheers*

*sobs*

*eats a pizza*

get ahold of yourself, man...

oh man! not like that!

Any of you broads have a thing for moody, ADHD-afflicted, music-obsessed, ectomorphs with a predeliction for plaid flannel and pathologically prolific blogging?

*crickets*

Angry Doppelganger Hotpants Disorder?

ooooo, i have to chime in here because i have a fetish for men in makeup. but not girly makeup, more like adam ant (there he is again!) or various members of duran duran or robert smith. a little eyeliner and black lipstick and i *swoon*. also, i thought en esch of KMFDM looked crazy hot in fishnets and a long black dress. but he didn't have fake boobs and he was wearing combat boots and had a shaved head. also kurt cobain in a skirt was kind of sexy, although he wasn't really my type (as i kept having to tell him over and over).

in other words, a man trying to look like a woman leaves me cold. but a man looking like a man but with some gender-bending experimentation is h.o.t.

Well, Angelina filed for divorce last week, so there's hope!

kurt cobain is my type.
I really hate pretend shy, pretend gay boys who get to watch girls change.

But I like people who aren't obsessed with standards of masculinity or femininity. It's kind of boring to be so constrained.

On another note: I want to confess here, where it's private, that I am in love. I have a crush on someone from Real Life. I haven't done this in a long time - it's so easy to have crushes on all of you. Does anyone remember how to behave? I find myself shy and girlish and, well, giggling. It's really embarassing.

Advice, please.

If you're giggling, you've already tipped your hand. Might as well just go up and lay a big wet kiss on him. Her. Whatever.

And then, hot monkey love.

No games. If you like the [gender neutral pronoun], be honest. It may fall through, but you can never be accused of frontin'.

And, to say that another way, if you play, prepare to get played.

Well, Angelina filed for divorce last week, so there's hope!

yes, for all of us. i have a girl crush on her.

It's miguel, isn't it, G.

Admit it.

"It's miguel, isn't it, G."

Clearly that's impossible, as she said it was someone from Real Life and, as everyone knows, Miguel is a mass hallucination that we all pretend actually jet-sets around Lisbon drinking exotic cocktails and hanging out with the Beautiful People.

goneill: Do what I do. Insult them until they cry and then they'll never talk to you again. Then drink until you can't remember your name, wake up in a shoe store covered in broken glass, Keds and Hush Puppies.

That was you?

You complete bitch.

I'm having Kid Power flashbacks.

you guys are so sweet - it's a *he*

But, I could never play games. I take this love stuff way too seriously - I'm a hopeless romantic... you guys should know that by now.

Are you all going to help me through the whole thing - First kiss...?

Last night we went swimming in a water tower atop new york city - it was romantic, except for the 47 other people in the tower.

Swimming...but no kissing yet?

*suddenly questions her own admittedly loose morals*

I have a crush on someone... I find myself shy and girlish and, well, giggling.

*smacks head*

That's what's going on when girls giggle? All these years I thought I had a shot hanging from my nose or an open fly or something.

Someone should write a guidebook, really.

It's not me with the tight morals. I don't know who it is! I am usually a drunken whoore. I don't know what's come over me - I have all of these feelings and emotions and inhibitions - it's so strange feeling. Have any of you had emotions?

I had an emotion once but it confused me so I drank until it went away.

Unless "hunger" and "lust" count as emotions, then yeah, I have those all the time.

I'm trying
I'm trying to
Drink away the part of the day
That I can not sleep away

i ♥ jpoulos.

I ♥ hearts

My first ♥.

Yay!

:: gives brittney a gold star ::

if you're not getting paid at the end of the night, it's a wasted evening.

am i a wasted human being if i accept payment in gold stars?

payment in gold stars counts.

I gots me a WHOLE BOX of Gold Stars....

(someone was gonna say it... I think it was my turn)

:: puts gold stars on forehead, cries for innocence lost ::

::puts gold star on stomach, prances around like star-belly sneetch::

hey, who stole my box?

bastards.

I used to want a star tattooed on my temple. I practiced with a permanent marker for a while, and I met a lot of very interesting people.

Has anyone seen this?

Looks like Miguel linked an image from Heather Champ, who replaced the image. Mefi thread about this here.

::puts on thong of gold stars, puts a star on each nipple, shimmies around room::

my Grand Tattoo Idea is a tiny blue star on my hand, right on the edge of the fleshy part between the thumb and forefinger.

tattoo places are such cold-hearted bitches, though. they're all, "it costs 45 dollars no matter how small a star you want."

i'll be damned if i'm paying 45 bucks for something i can do every day with a sharpie. we're talking less than a centimeter, dude.

close, adam, but deuceofclubs isn't heather's site - just another victim of the same problem.

but boy, miguel is in biig trouble now.

Ha! Good for Doc.

I don't think Miguel really understands about not stealing images. We really need a policy about that. I did link to deuceofclubs' donation page, so he can't get too mad.

I have a friend, named 'Star' who has stars on her knuckles.

I'll do you tattoo if you are ever in the city, P-Lo.

hmm. mathowie sounds rather disaffected. he's reading stavros' site and (maybe?) gritting his teeth over it. he's probably here too, sometimes. this is a tension i don't like. um.

the nick i use came from a discussion i had with a friend about ten years ago about tattoos. one drunken evening, after he had gotten one, i decided that the only thing i'd ever want as a tattoo was Eddie Campbell's EyeballK!d, a comic book i was very fond of at the time (and still go back and read). He ended up getting the old ShadowMan logo.

I ended up just using the nick on IRC (eyeballkd) and LAN games. Yes, I know, geeky comic book readin' losers.

Ya know, I have been guilty of this (as evidenced by the thread in question), and was thinking of asking this even yesterday. If this site wants to avoid backlash, posting images hosted by others (as much fun as it is) doesn't seem a good idea.

oops. i think i steal images all the time. but i don't pretend they're mine! but how do you link to an image without stealing someone's bandwidth (yeah, i'm pretty web ignernt)?

teach me.

Here is my input: Don't take images from other people's sites, unless you put them on your own server and provide a link to the original source. I have been guilty of taking images in the past, but I'll try to refrain in the future.

And as far as I'm concerned, there should be zero tolerance. If someone does it, the post gets deleted.

Just came from Matt's thread myself, Marquis, and even I felt a little guilty. 'Course, it could have been my now obviously unnessecary comment just two places up.

The poor guy sounds positively deflated.

hmm. mathowie sounds rather disaffected. he's reading stavros' site and (maybe?) gritting his teeth over it. he's probably here too, sometimes. this is a tension i don't like. um
Oh, man. This kind of thing makes my stomach hurt. I resisted the urge to post to that MeTa thread, just because I knew it would do more harm than good. I don't think donkeyschlong meant for things to get nasty, but he should have thought ahead as to what might happen if people started giving shoutouts to their homies.

Oh, man. I wish Matt didn't have to deal with so much shit. MetaFilter's time is coming. As much as I hate to say it...it's coming.

Well, I think that post pretty much says it. Here's one for further discouraging Miguel from posting to MeTa unless absolutely necessary.

Would it hurt to post those threads here? Maybe have a category dubbed "Threads that Miguel would have posted to MeTa"?

fucking cool, goneill!

this whole mefi linking/quoting outside sites phenomenon kind of disturbs me. while they are public sites, why is any attack on another user or on the site as a whole subject to the rules of mefi? if i were to post "man, i fucking hatehatehate that asshole bluetrain", as an example (i am not espousing any hatred of him now, by the way) on my personal site, i bet money it would be brought up in meTa in some form or another within the next few days.

this doesn't seem fair to me. for that to be used as a transgression against me in the context of metatalk, it seems that the transgression had better have taken place under metafilter's jurisdiction. i don't consider my personal site to be within that jurisdiction. not that there aren't multiple problems and ethical dilemmas with posting such a thing to a personal (but public) site. but i hate the idea of having to think "oh god, what will metafilter think?" before i post anything inflammatory about it to my own webpage.

Honestly, Adam, I discussed that with Miguel before. He agreed that it was a wonderful idea to run the threads by us here before posting them.

And then he never did it.

I think I've made it clear in the past that I don't think Miguel understands the point of MetaTalk. It maybe because it's named MetaTALK, as in come on in and chat, when in fact it should be MetaTalk as in "Talk about MeFi".

But good christ, who gives a flying fuck at the moon?

I can't tell anyone what to do, nor can any of you. But I do agree that Miguel abuses the site and shows disrespect for the rules. I say that because I like Miguel and want to stop all the effigy burning before it transcends the effigy part and people start knocking on his door with Jasco and a match.

(not that i'm lobbying for saying inflammatory things on 9622, by the way. hope that was clear.)

I feel bad about posting to that thread now too, but at least I was honest.

but i hate the idea of having to think "oh god, what will metafilter think?" before i post anything inflammatory about it to my own webpage.
Well, the point is, I think, that you shouldn't say anything in your public place that you wouldn't want to be accountable for later. If I said on my personal blog, "That Miguel is a cream-reaming moron. I hate him and I hate his ass-face." and then during a conversation in MetaTalk, someone brings that up with a link to where I said it, well...seems to me that's fair game.

A personal opinion made public is...well...public. Does that make sense?

yes, absolutely. i should be held accountable for anything i say in public. i agree.

but bringing it into metatalk, for example, seems like an unfair double jeopardy. people have every right to read a shitty comment i make and say "man, she's a big scumbag". but when it's brought up in meta, which should really only be dealing with Issues With The Site Itself, it makes it seem like by posting that, i've violated metafilter rules. which is not the case.

i don't know. if any other mefite said horrible things about me on their site, i'd feel really childish bringing it up in meta. since their beyond-the-pale behavior took place offsite, onsite does not seem like the place to deal with it. yet another example of the time and place for everything defense. i don't think meta is the right forum for it, and i think it's unfair to bring the stigma of being shot down in meta to an action that does not at all pertain to it.

I agree that Miguel's posts are over the line, at this point, and they have been for some time. I shake my head, grinning, whenever I see the newest volley. As a consequence of his persistence, however, peoples' reactions are so out-of-control that it borders on caricature. I hate seeing the violent, vitreolic vehemence that it looses. He is not "shitting all over MetaFilter" - MeFi isn't even directly affected, and one lousy MeTa post isn't ruining the experience for everybody.

I'm not defending the guideline violations of his posts, but I have a real problem with the tone of voice that some have devolved into.

Of course, the added problem for me is that I want to talk about the same things as Miguel. I don't know if I'm alone on this, or whether it's one of MeFi's Best Kept Secrets, but I'm interested in MetaMeFi discussions. The dynamics of the place, as community, are fascinating to me - the voices that resonate with people, the sorts of crises, the differing reactions to identical posts. Unfortunately, MeTa isn't the place for it... and although I refrain from posting to chatty threads almost entirely (not that I post to MeFi particularly often, in general - despite the near-fanatical regularity with which I visit the site), I do itch to talk about these things, and there isn't a forum.

An off-MetaFilter "let's talk about MetaFilter" site wouldn't work, though. It would be like this 9622/blog/MeFi tension, raised to the nth degree. Everyone would be reading it, and it would inform (perhaps directly) MeFi discussions in a potentially awful way. Maybe a private members' site, for those with whom I'd like to talk about it? I don't know. It's clear that 9622 isn't the right place for it either.

That is true, pikachu. The role of MeTa should not be some overriding morality police with tendrils twined into every member's site. But the weblogger community, which is really what MeFi started as, is bound to discuss their own. It's probably inevitable.

I provide a very convenient "Comments" button on my blog, so people can say whatever they want there. Dragging someone's comments out of context and over to MeTa and putting them on display before the hungry hordes is less than fair.

I also think it's unfair to talk about someone personally on your blog, without at least letting that person know. I named names once, without the courtesy of an email, and that was wrong. If you make a comment, let the person know, and invite them to comment on your blog, there's no reason to be tarred and feathered on MeTa.

And the funny thing that's happened to MeFi is that it was started as a weblogger community, but then, as the internet grew and expanded, you had more and more members who had no sites of their own, have no interest in the internet community or weblogging community as a whole, and have MeFi as their only outlet. Weird.

I mean, I joined the site before I had a blog, and in many ways it was being on MeFi and reading the blogs of the old school folks that made me want to have one.

I think what I always enjoyed most about the site was hearing the input of the old school bloggers who had valid opinions on net phenomena. I think the newer, non-blogging folks have chased off those people whose input I so enjoyed.

Not a bad thing or a good thing, just a thing.

*giggles and blushes*
Precocious likes me.

and now those new non-net people get to say "take it to blogroots. sigh.

On preview, that's what happened to me as well, kaf. plus now that I have my own site, I find I've mellowed my mefi schedule, since at my site I can talk about whatever the hell I want.

Plus, i just burned the master of my 9622/MeFi mix. I just gotta go to the mall to buy some jewel boxes. Y'all are in for a treat.

*can't wait*

"But good christ, who gives a flying fuck at the moon?"

Errr, sounds like Matt does. Sounds like he's really burned out and frustrated. To his point, "my ball, my rules" seems reasonable. I just wonder why people who don't follow the rules (whether its because they don't understand them, aren't aware of them, are anarchists, etc.) don't get a (personal) e-mail warning instead of a (public) spanking.

On preview, that might be a helluva lot of e-mailing for one admin.

besides, tizzie, despite the overwhelming respect everyone has for matt, mass hatred seems to be a better deterrent than a polite email. unfortunately.

Yeah, I do like what Migues posts. I like those discussions, even though I felt at many times that it was out of place. I think the hatred spewed towards him made me pretty sick, though, and the backlash made me want to justify the threads even more (at least in my mind).

I have nothing but respect for Mathowie. Even the times where he's had to smack me down a bit, he's been polite and friendly. I am amazed each morning when I wake up and MetaFilter is still there.

Hi

Couldn't 9622 become an 'official' category of metatalk?

Just trying to find some sort of solution.

Back to lurkmode now.

I have Mefi and the people in it to thank for a lot of things, and Matt's administrative style more than any technical feature makes the 'Filter what it is.

Couldn't 9622 become an 'official' category of metatalk?
I'm just imagining what that would do to this server. I like to think of 9622 as kind of a public park. Everyone's welcome to come and play, but if everyone DID come, there would be no place to spread out a blanket. Oh, and you'd have to wait on the slides. And no one wants that.

And why would anyone "lurk" here? Join in. We may fling poo, but we don't pinch.

9622 has a very different vibe from MetaFilter. It's not just a microcosm. I was very very reticent to even bring up the MeTa issue - I felt (and still feel) that it wasn't wholly appropriate, here.

Errr, sounds like Matt does.

I meant "who gives a flying fuck at the moon?" in the "auugh! This is frustrating!" sense.

I should have been more clear.

i think it was appropriate, marquis, in light of the exact tensions you mentioned. i think it's everyone's intention that this be a Happy Positive Enhancement to everyone's lives (including mefites) and not to be a Negative Sad Influence On Anything (including mefites). if the latter seems to be happening, it seems something that needs to be addressed.

so, how about those yankees?

I have an intellectual crush on Derek Jeter.

I pinch. But the velocity of my poo more than makes up for it.

I can understand lurking at MeTa/Fi, but for god's sake, come out of woods, ye monkey hopeful!

I'm better at flinging poo and reading than posting.
Okay, I'll give it a shot now and then.

welcome ginz.

my 2¢:

i've always thought of miguel's posts as pretty benign. i've seen mefi and the blogger community described as a high school.

my view of mefi is closer to that of a largish party. migs is in the corner discussing voltaire one minute and then wooing the ladies with some magic trick he learned in the west indies. sometimes we come by and have a drink and hang with him a little bit. he tends to talk a lot. we like to listen and join in the conversation. he makes a pretty big crowd. there are others who glare and make snide comments as they pass.

the host finds him to be a total bore.

so we take the party outside to 9622. miggy baby now has a foot in the door and a foot out in the veranda, where we swing from vines and drink pernod. he fits in more with us, because he's chatty, we're chatty. we're partygoers as much for the discussions political as much as the social aspect, though we lean heavily on the social.

::instant gear-switch with no explanation, but good reason::

blogging doesn't occur in a vacuum. we write blogs because people read them. granted, i didn't have much of an audience a year ago and didn't care, but now it's nice to know that people are reading. there is a certain level of ego gained with the production of a blog. suddenly there's this very public avenue of speaking about me,me,me,me,me,me! and people who are responding to it.

Now take all these me! folks and put them in a room with Miguel, a man who has a flair for being the center of attention. Suddenly me! meets ME(C)! and people are shaken. Planets misalign, volcanoes burst, people get angry.

I know that the clash of egos isn't all of it. MetaFilter is a community site, and being a community site, feathers get ruffled when a person seems to have a larger voice than the community.

That, I believe, is where the problem lies. It is in the difference between social gathering ("war is just another crowd, we need a gathering instead") and a community.

Migs, you unintentionally, upset the equilibrium. And people are nasty.

You make some possibly astute observations, eyeballkid, but the noise isn't just about Miguel. It's about people talking about MeFi - on MeTa or offsite. Miguel is simply one of the more active talkers... I don't think that the hubbub can be reasoned away as a response based on envy or resentment.

heck on this site guys, the same conversation goes from one thread to another then back, would you like the links for me to show.*splat* On that line, here, it's like monkeys in the wild, one tree to another going from tree to tree fling this and that f-ing here and everywhere, then back to home. Or as I do even going to one site, marking your spot, back to this site to play and then getting hungry and being polite while eating your banana at meta. Then back here to digest and fling your poo to all. So in all does it really matter to a deep degree as it is hard to follow along if your were a lurker, or a taddle tale, yet I'm not saying to start throwing offical monkey doo on other sites, or to go all out with a bitch slap of poo on anyones face at this site
gee I'm a chimp after previewing eyeballkid's commment, he must be Dr. Corneliushis.......

i know it's more than just miguel, but it seems that it is his posts that aggravate most. as for talking about mefi offsite and p'lo's anger with being called out for a post here, i can why with the anger, but i wouldn't be so much. if you quote me on mefi or quote me here or on my blog or in a pr0n chatroom, it's all good. it's all me.

Sometimes, that is definitely the issue, Matt.

If I type something on my blog, I have to consider it public domain. For me, that's a lesson in not being a dick. If you get all dickly about someone on the internet, you have to know that they can see it.

It's valuable because it makes you examine your reasons for saying things in the first place and what you hope to achieve.

damn. the whole brain to keyboard to screen flow is off without the right level of caffiene.

"i can see why she's angry, but I wouldn't be so much."

that's better.

eyeballkid your comment above about It's valuable...(I could not copy or paste)Isn't that what matt's goal is for the site, filiter which includes yourself, like you say something then realize hey it's a joke in your town, yet you just insulted the rest of the world........With me it's doesn't matter correct grammer, Matt has a opinion of me already, he told me I know..
And I do get follow up e-mails by people who flame me then tell me the reasoning and it's all good fun like our private joke just between us, so no harm, yet a lurker would be left thinking Ahole.....all the way.......about the whole site.

for a second i felt like a detective:
"aha! eyeballkid is actually thomscatpike!"
(i realize it's the wrong spelling, but c'mon, scat for god's sake!)

alas, no such mystery. common brain fart.

The amount of time that is spent talking about MetaTalk posts talking about MetaFilter members talking about MetaFilter posts telling people to take it to MetaTalk is mind-boggling. The work that goes into discussing Miguel's actions vis-a-vis the obviously ambiguous "rules" of MeFi and MeTa could itself fill a book. I mean, I know it's interesting, I know it's kind of a "club," but it's not the United Nations, either. I think "who gives a flying fuck at the moon" is the only rational response to this recurring issue. But then people might forget what their navel looks like.

Gah. This whole thing is twisting my melon.

Thomcatspike: I believe Matt's reason for creating the site was so that beautiful things could emerge from thousands of eyes scouring the web for stuff at once. It wasn't originally for newsy stuff that you could see on the main TV news, or for chatting.

But then people might forget what their navel looks like.
Whoa! My keys! I've been looking for them...

No matter what we do here, someone is going to take it the wrong way. That's just the way people are. I'm content to say screw 'em if they can't take a joke.

Thomcat, no disrespect intended, but I think you miss the point of MeFi, and maybe need to check out the guidelines.

Hey there is only one of me, not two so what are you folks saying......Think one is enough..
I've posted once as pancaked, yet my e-mail address if you clicked pancaked said thomcatspike@hotmail.com so no deception there.

Witchstone was, I think, referring to your name being spelled differently above, and thought someone else was using your name. I believe you are retyping your name in every time you comment. You should just click the "remember me" box, and then you won't have to worry about it.

um, no i was just commenting on eyeballkid's missing pronouns. but then tcs posted in between so it got confusing.

and the scat thing was just me being silly.

scat.
moot.
scat.

zoo bah zoo zah da de ah da.

Now I'm thinking about poor Scatman Crothers getting axed in The Shining. Poor Hong Kong Phooey!

Yes that was I why I liked it and viewed it, no membership was open and when it was, I was not around, yet I kept reading. That is the beuty of Meta, news if you do see main stream, it is like several to a week later, no old nes or yesterdays news before the net, or on everyones Blog.
Like my cd collection, the ones I bought not alot, yet when people come over they always say I have the one's key word you can't find.........I do get meta, and I find it odd now that people are using it for self posts yet no one is busting them, and yes the last months of meta talk are the same crap in the history worse than a weel at least it gets somewhere........and yes I do see the vision of Meta, as it can get bigger and deeper( who needs the newpaper on the actual web), again I found meta great as authors posted other authors bottom line, for discussion not personal rehtoric which is going on, I've said little as not to bitch....but I want to make it clear I'm a deep thinker, sometimes good sometimes I deep think myself in the toilet, yet I pick my brain out of the toilet wash the shit off and keep going at least this time trying to make sure to not find myself covered with old shit again.......

I think thom mentioned that he was having trouble with the cookies on his machine and the "remember me" option wasn't working, so he has to type his name in every time.

I'd suggest going to the "tcs" nickname to speed things up.

Kaf: some future version of MT may enable us to protect identities of members in the comments (ie I couldn't post under your name). Until then, we might one day see some spoofing. Hope not. Or at least, I hope it's only good natured if it happens ;-)

witchstone, I got you, I have lost my cookies, new computer and bigger fire wall, so I do go faster, the computers, 2gigs now through a T1, yet I'm lagging having to enter in my personal info which is geting tiresome, and I'm missing commenst in the mix of it, so cast a spell of monkey poo on me.

sorry for the repetiton, let pull my old hard drive from the trash.......

Thanks Kaf. By the way, did I mention that I admire you on a deep level, like the inventor of string cheese?

Phew! That was an eye-opener for someone coming back from a five-hour lunch in the sun!

I think you're all right. Kaf said it best: I don't think I know what MeTa is for. I tried very hard and failed.

So I'll take Kaf's generous offer (I thought it was just kindness) and will post here instead. I love talking about MetaFilter and people there - specially in the sort of thread that affirms each person's individuality.

You don't know what you're letting yourselves in for! Bwahahaha!

And I'll stop stealing images too.

In fact, given an extra push, I might just be persuaded to do away with myself altogether. ;)

Thanks for that thom. I think I can see where you're going, and I do like the news threads sometimes, especially the deconstructions and debunkings. I just don't think it's what matt intended. I think he was looking for a sort of inverted google: things float to the top, but not because you asked for them. Yes, you could do that with news too, and that's what the site has become to an extent. I'm doing that bad thing now: talking about mefi. So I'll stop. I feel like I've deep-thunk myself into the toilet sometimes too. Good days and bad days.

9622.net: like the inventor of string cheese

I second Jeff nee pardonyou?.
How about

Leave it at MeTa.

Catchy. Good beat. I give it a 4. ;)

Miguel, I hope you take my criticism in the spirit of friendship.

*hugs Miguel*

wait a second... how did my bra come undone?

Hmmff, American bras. Never mind, Scribby. I know this really good shop in Paris where you can really rely on the hooks. ;)

Kaf - you were criticizing me? Why you... I thought you were giving me advice! :)

As a rather quiet member of Mefi (and a new big fan of 9622), I find this whole thing very depressing. I found Mefi a couple of years ago, and even though I have no involvement in the blogger scene (hardly have any involvement with the internet), one might say that I came for the articles and stayed for the conversation.

It has of course been discussed time and again how shrill the conversation has gotten in Mefi/Meta, but it has seemed these days that there has been more out-and-out cannibalization going on, and it breaks my heart. It is true that I'm not what one would call an "active" participant, but I'm defintely not "passive" in the sense that I am always there, lurking and reading and laughing and shrugging and becoming enraged right alongside all of the other members. I care for this community and I care for it's members. I know a great deal about all of you because you all like to speak so volubly and entertainly about EVERYTHING. I'm sorry that I haven't shared as often but I just felt that I didn't want to hang it all out there as much.

It is odd that I feel more at home here than in Mefi; I would guess that it has something to do with my general admiration of cheeky humor and my dislike of faceless argument. Something about debate in the faceless, anonymous online world allows people to feel as if they can lash out in ways that never would be accepted in the waking, walking world. I would never dare walk up to Matt or Miguel and say some of the things that have been said about Mefi or Migs in Meta (too many M's!!!!!!!). It just doesn't seem right to be able to slam people in these rather brutal forums if you wouldn't have the stones do it in person. Perhaps that is why I generally stay out of the fray: a little cowardice, a little distaste, a little sadness.

Anyway, I don't know of any remedies; I just feel that if we are to all have Mefi to go back to for a while, we all need to think about how our behavior affects the one place we all have in common. Maybe for me that means being more active; for others less, for others still, curbing the need to make that one brilliant pun just once so the conversation might stay more on tack, and not rankle Matt.

In the words of Rodney, "Can't we just all get along?"

Posted by: readymade on July 31, 2002 03:42 PM

*not that I think there should be cessation of puns. God, no.*

Posted by: readymade on July 31, 2002 03:45 PM

I wish I'd said that, readymade. That's your second "Best in Thread" in two days. Enough already, give the rest of us a chance! :)

Miguel, get this man a drink.

I like beer or a good Mojito, but unless there's something even I don't know about, I'm a lass.

What a surprise that would be for my husband: "Honey, I know it's been seven years, but I'm a man. Sorry!"

Posted by: readymade on July 31, 2002 04:01 PM

Yeah, seven years would be a bit long, even for the most inobservant male. Four years, max.

Doh! My apologies. I have been known to mess up other people's genders at times (online only). But Aw does it even more.

Absolutely no problemo. I think in person people think I look like a girl but when I open my mouth that I talk like a longshoreman. I'm much more genteel online. Bizarre.

Posted by: readymade on July 31, 2002 04:19 PM

Hey readymade...
You made such a nice post.

Miguel make a site for us American for the ones who, well I think I would read and love to read your words. I love his cache of adjectives. post you would have to have as in comments to your chest or drawers of knowledge. Also your are chatty cathy. Nothing wrong as you alway have words the for me I love to hear(no this is not beth, thtat was well coldchef she is yours) Why I'm at it( don't mind being called Thom as my mother and all friends accidently do) I only use a psuedo name for the ones on the site that can really make some muck for me at work, for getting yanked into my boss's office, not Matts. My worry are the ones who would flame for the fun and are really mean spirited. Kind of like when they pull up the account of some shmoe in an article and have his dogs regestration #, that is scary. None here or the went away with the smell of the poo in the wind, pulling a "clark gable", gone with the wind...

Anyone else think Matt may be "guilty?"

HOW DARE YOU INTERPRET MATT's THOUGHTS!

Not to be a nanny, but I think that's exactly what we don't need on this site, Goneill.

Heh. I was jus' joshin'.

It was really me.

Will tomorrow be different at Meta, I'm sure with all the to read in metatalk and with the shit just hitting the screens right now, for all the worker types that read at night. I wonder how things will change, Lets see how long?, I'm willing to try....to make meta back to the old blue of good memories. Plus all the newbies, I hope they don't mind me saying that, I'm still waiting for mr D. Newbie to e-mail me.

Can I add my two penn'orth? I don't usually get involved in MeTa threads as I find them too wanky, but the only thing wrong with MetaFilter in my opinon is the fact the ugly threads that everyone agrees should die always attract the most comments. Every time Postroad trolls or mrmanley posts obvious flame bait or someone or other tries to divide the world into crude left and right philosophies, the thread totals 100 or more. Just pass by. Don't feed the trolls. Not that I'm accusing anyone here.

I'm late to the party, as usual, but this was just too weird not to share & I figured the residents of Monkeytown might appreciate it:

Last night, I dreamt that Matt was requiring anyone who wanted to post at MeFi to have a valid real estate license.

Make of that what you will.

*pictures Miguel in a mustard-yellow jacket*

*buys house from mustard-yellow-jacketed Miguel. curses portugese persuasiveness*

It was Col. Cardoso, In the Study, with a Candlestick!

Whaddo I win!?

Whaddo I win!?

How about a copy of Puffy Ami Yumi's (mefi inspired?) song "Destruction Pancake"?

My husband has a real estate license. Does that count?

It never ceases to amaze me how the metatalk threads go round-and-round-and round like a hamster wheel. Always the same complaining by the same pastel jackets.

Why don't one of you go over there and yell double post to the tenth power?

None of that here, please. We're a civil non-threatening society.

What's a pastel jacket?

BF, can we keep the pastel thing off this site?

Thankyaverymuch.

I went to art school and worked in pastels....

*whistling innocently*

When I think pastel, I think of Don Johnson in Miami vice, which reminds me of Don's rumored coke can-shaped penis, which reminds me of Meline Griffith screaming in pain, which is a thought I like, yet I still dislike most pastels because they seem fey.

Bunny, pastels, I think of you, well Easter eggs, and high school, yea you should have seen what we wore, hey we were a happy bunch in 87..yea eggs are better....

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