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October 06, 2003 : Desert Island Discs: The Stalinist Version


Let's say we were going to put out a collective 9622 CD where each member could contribute but one track. This CD would be used as an example of all that human music could achieve, i.e. including every kind of music known to man and woman. What song/piece, by what composer or artist, would you choose? Proviso: Length unspecified, but it must only reproduce one CD track (no entire albums, symphonies etc. allowed).

As a palliative to the fact you can only choose one, we'll admit that the issuing body is considering a Volume 2, so you can include that other one too. But no more!

Posted by Miguel at October 06, 2003 11:33 PM


People have said these things about that :

I don't like this idea, first because it will only lead to fifty or sixty song suggestions that all have merit and all couldn't possibly be on a single CD, and second because it runs up against my own cunning plan to finally put together my own long-threatened "cool songs" cd as a bonus disc in the next swap, which bonus disc was intended to include only those songs which everyone knows, but everyone always says "cool song" when it comes on. So, boo, Miguel!

That said, I'll lead off with "Lust for Life" by Iggy Pop. Cool song; and you will need some Iggy.

Posted by: yhbc on October 6, 2003 11:41 PM

Commish: the good beings of Saturn - or whatever alien planet is curious about us - just want to know what we sound like; if they can boogie to it; if we have any talent to speak of and other important considerations. On the other hand, Iggy's "Lust For Life" is about as good as it gets.

I'd have to choose Wagner's Act 1 Prelude to Lohengrin, conducted by Claudio Abbado, as the most beautiful and moving piece of music ever written.

For Volume 2, perhaps Tim Buckley's rendition of "Dolphins".

Posted by: Miguel on October 7, 2003 12:06 AM

I would include "I'm the Man" by none other than Joe Jackson.

Posted by: salmonberry on October 7, 2003 12:31 AM

I could easily pick a dozen or so songs that I like better, but I doubt anyone else will put it on here, so I'll go with "Fight the Power" by Public Enemy. It just needs to be there.

Second coming: I'll go with Hendrix's "Castles Made of Sand".

Posted by: ufez on October 7, 2003 12:35 AM

One song? ONE? Good lord.

Zep, "Achilles Last Stand"

Because it is the sort of music one might imagine themselves going out in a blaze of glory to.

But as an alternative, I am often set back in my chair by the subtle, 12-string beauty of Joni Mitchell's "Help Me." It reminds me of a time of moonshots, potato chips and ketchup, and uncles, long now mouldering in the earth.

Posted by: Fes on October 7, 2003 12:37 AM

I can choose only one track?

I Walk The Line by the man in black.

Posted by: Crash on October 7, 2003 12:37 AM

I'm gonna have to throw in "Sex Machine, Pt. 1" by James Brown, Soul Brother Number One and the Hardest Working Man in Show Business.

Posted by: Mars Crash on October 7, 2003 02:47 AM

Stand Up by Ludacris.
Because you're all so carefully selecting only hip-approved safe music, and I think there needs to be at least one thing that's all style and no substance which runs the risk of smelling bad five minutes from now.
Plus it's got a good beat, and a dwarf in the video.

Posted by: dong resin on October 7, 2003 05:33 AM

We did this exercise once in one of my acting classes. What you choose now may not be what you choose tomorrow? With that said, today, this morning, if I were scheduled to be stranded on a desert island, because I am in a good mood, I would choose The William Tell Overture by Rossini.

Posted by: Valerie on October 7, 2003 07:23 AM

Wild, Wild Life by Talking Heads. Is there a mood it doesn't suit? I don't think so.

Posted by: tizzie on October 7, 2003 08:03 AM

Yeah. Wild, wild life. That's good.

Posted by: Valerie on October 7, 2003 08:58 AM

"Drift Away" by Dobie Gray. That song never fails to make me feel better, no matter how badly I've been kicked around.

Posted by: jonmc on October 7, 2003 09:28 AM

Marry had a little lamb...you get three tunes in one, A B C ... & Bah Bah black sheep ;P

Posted by: Thomcatspike on October 7, 2003 09:34 AM

"Happy Together" by The Turtles : always makes me feel happy to be alive

Posted by: unlurking on October 7, 2003 09:41 AM

I think you are thinking of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.......not Mary had a little lamb.....

Posted by: Valerie on October 7, 2003 10:02 AM

this morning, I choose "Last Goodbye" by Jeff Buckley. I would probably answer differently some other time, but I'd still end up choosing some other drunken sad song.

Posted by: whatnot on October 7, 2003 10:19 AM

In Mr. Catspike's mind, you can sing Baa Baa Blacksheep to the tune of Mary Had A Little Lamb. :-)

Ummmm...Miles Davis' version of "Bess, You Is My Woman Now".

Posted by: jpoulos on October 7, 2003 10:32 AM

"Master of Puppets" by Metallica.

Posted by: Cyrano on October 7, 2003 10:36 AM

I think you are thinking of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.......not Mary had a little lamb.....

Your right valerie, guess I needed more coffee...; changing my my selection to, Icicle Works: Whisper to a Scream.

Posted by: Thomcatspike on October 7, 2003 11:05 AM

I'd have to go with "Here" by Pavement or "Under the Milky Way Tonight" by The Church.

hedging: volume II maybe "Tom Traubert's Blues" by Tom Waits, "Famous Blue Raincoat" by Leonard Cohen or "Pale Blue Eyes" by the Velvet Underground.

Of course, that's all the crazy rock'n'roll music. It's hard to say what the most perfect piece of music is when you haven't heard them all. I'm not much of a classical buff just yet, but I do like Tabula Rasa by Arvo Pärt.

Posted by: kaf the decidedly not hip on October 7, 2003 11:37 AM

Nelson, "More Than Ever."

Seriously. Have you listened to it? It rocks hard, it's a total singalong, and even they can't believe how gloriously silly it sounds.

And I would totally serenade someone with it, especially if I could grow the platinum extensions.

Then again, there should be room for Jim Backus' "Delicious" somewhere. Especially if there's lots of hipsterfucker & hoitytoity on there already.

PS - I second those Ludacris & Miles songs. (Yes, dong, I'm taking you seriously.)

Posted by: Chico on October 7, 2003 11:38 AM

This should be included, hell, this could be the offical 9622 theme song:

"(Drinking in) Heaven" by Loudon Wainwright III

There'll be lots of drinking in heaven
and smoking and eating and sex
what you didn't do in this life bad for you
will be totally cool in the next
in heaven there'll be beer for breakfast
at lunch it's tequila and wine
and the soup served with dinner is made with paint thinner
and the morning hereafter feels fine, oh...

(more)

Posted by: krimur on October 7, 2003 11:42 AM

Honorable Mentions: (yes I'm breaking the Stalinist rules. Send me to the Gulag, Joe)

"Cornbread & Butterbeans" by The Carolina Sunshine Trio and "Bang Shang-A-Lang" by the Archies.

I'm not kidding either.

Posted by: jonmc on October 7, 2003 11:49 AM

(sorry, O/T)

Fes, you still down for Happy Hour on Friday? Check your hotmail, eh?

Posted by: ufez on October 7, 2003 11:52 AM

I intended it sincerely, Chico. Sometimes it gets no better than the vulgar mainstream.
Plus, you know, the dwarf.

Posted by: dong resin on October 7, 2003 12:12 PM

This CD would be used as an example of all that human music could achieve

I missed that bit earlier. Sounds pretty high-fallutin'.

I think I better add some Ralph Stanley for my "round two" choice.

Although the other night when I stared into the campfire for a really long time and emptied my mind of all conscious thought, I realized that the only thing left was Steely Dan's "Katy Lied."

Go figure.

Posted by: tizzie on October 7, 2003 12:29 PM

True dat, dong, but I just remembered. Busta brings the video dwarf too, and his is the creepy oompa-loompa horndog upskirt dwarf. I think that's my favorite. Maybe for Volume 3.

And jon, to paraphrase Cyndi Lauper, if the Gulags 'R' good enough for you, they're good enough for me, yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Posted by: Chico on October 7, 2003 12:38 PM

Lest we forget the original rapping dwarf.

First one I remember, anyway...

*pours out a 40*

Posted by: Cyrano on October 7, 2003 12:45 PM

Dwarf videos would make a good compilation.

I'm trusting your vast knowledge here, jon et al:

All I can come up with is "The Safety Dance" by Men Without Hats

Posted by: kaf on October 7, 2003 12:46 PM

And didn't the Geto Boys have a dwarf too?

Posted by: kaf on October 7, 2003 12:47 PM

There's that one blink-182 video where they have dwarves running through the streets naked. Not sure which one.

And "Tres Delinquentes" by the Mexican-American trio Delinquent Habits had a dwarf skateboarding on a bar.

I think that video that Eminem did with, what was it, D12 or something? Something about purple hills/pills, that had a dwarf or two in it.

And likely all of the Bloodhound Gang video library.

Posted by: ufez on October 7, 2003 01:03 PM

I'm also thinking that the Chili Peppers' song from the Coneheads movie, Soul II Squeeze (which really is a good song) had a dwarf. There was a whole circus sideshow in that video.

I think that's all I got right now.

Posted by: ufez on October 7, 2003 01:06 PM

I hope someone remembers to pack some Al Green for the trip.

Posted by: Valerie on October 7, 2003 01:12 PM

Kid Rock of course had Joe C. and if we're being liberal with the definition of "dwarf" I suppose we can include the entire ouvre of Ronnie James Dio.

Posted by: jonmc on October 7, 2003 01:13 PM

Dio...
Does rickets count as dwarfism?
Eh. Either way.

Posted by: dong resin on October 7, 2003 01:18 PM

Dio is either a tall dwarf or a short elf.

Posted by: Cyrano on October 7, 2003 01:22 PM

I will admit to liking that Ludacris video, mostly because of the 4-foot tall 'fro at the end, plus the Outkast one that looks like it could have been on the Ed Sullivan show.

Posted by: whatnot on October 7, 2003 01:28 PM

I thought the PC term was little person.

Posted by: Valerie on October 7, 2003 01:35 PM

Lupo: Yes, you're right about Miles Davis. Can I substitute my Wagner for "Blue On Green" from Kind Of Blue?

Kaf: How uncanny that all your choices, down to each song, are the same as mine. Strange, strange feeling...

Posted by: Miguel on October 7, 2003 03:02 PM

Question for the studio audience: was my writing (here and elsewhere) better during that period when I wasn't drunk all the time?

I'm feeling kinda blocked lately, just looking for clues.

Posted by: jonmc on October 7, 2003 03:31 PM

Be brutally honest.

Posted by: jonmc on October 7, 2003 03:31 PM

It's better, Jon. Believe me. Though the drunk writing was good too. What spoiled it, in my (friend's) opinion was a discordant note of rancour and even anger - though only towards people you didn't like. But this was not good, as most people truly like you and were taken aback.

Excessive alcohol is awful towards (I'd say) 75% of people (my father and brother included, so you don't think I'm distancing myself) in that it encourages aggression, self-pity turned into anger, paranoia, jealousy and, worst of all, defensiveness, i.e. the feeling that everyone is out to criticize/take advantage of you. Which, being the most subtle form of paranoia, is also the most dangerous.

In your case, being the sensitive soul that you are, it made you too sensitive. So you lashed out. Sometimes cruelly. And always surprisingly, as you are such a good man.

Sorry if I've talked too much, chum, but you kinda asked for it and I thought you'd like to know a single, sincere opinion from someone who really likes you, with good reason, and respects your honesty.

Hey, is this gay or what? ;)

Posted by: Miguel on October 7, 2003 03:58 PM

I have to agree with Miguel here. Pretty much verbatim. The drinky drinky drinky thing gets old quick, and always seems to lead to self-absorption.

Hardly surprising of course, since the musical similarities noted above prove that he is indeed posting FROM INSIDE MY HOUSE!

aaaaaaaa!

Posted by: kaf on October 7, 2003 04:25 PM

But hell, I've been known to go bendering on occasion.

Posted by: kaf on October 7, 2003 04:30 PM

You make sense, but I always have a lot more fun when I am drinking and feel less strained around people. Plus when I was younger, (and this was probably an outgrowth of my rock and roll obsessiveness, too) I always loved hanging around with (and wanted to be admired by) older man-of-the-world types*. They had the best stories. They were the wisest people. They had the best taste in music. And most of 'em were drinkers and dopers, reformed and otherwise. But, I'm an older guy now, and I'm not especially wise and most of the stories I tell are stories of haplessness . It makes me feel kinda pathetic sometimes, which makes me wanna get hammered.

I'm babbling. Worse I'm psychobabbling. Please return to your regular scheduled joviality.

*the reasons for this I don't quite understand but would probably pay for some therapists lamborghini

Posted by: jonmc on October 7, 2003 04:36 PM

You make sense, but I always have a lot more fun when I am drinking and feel less strained around people.

I know exactly where you're coming from, caballero. But I think you already realize how dangerous that solution is.

What mystifies me is that you've been able to stay off smoking while continuing to drink.

Posted by: kaf on October 7, 2003 04:42 PM

I cheat occassionally. Usually when drinkin'.

Posted by: jonmc on October 7, 2003 04:48 PM

Oh dear god, if you have to pick only one to quit - it's much better to quit smoking. Just my opinion, of course, and I'm just me... but smoking is so insidious.

I have friends who just can't quit, absolutely cannot - so anyone who does gets my full admiration and sordid sex acts upon request.

Posted by: tizzie on October 7, 2003 04:51 PM

At the moment, it'd be "Beyond Belief" by Elvis Costello.

Posted by: Vidiot on October 7, 2003 04:52 PM

To paraphrase something Johnny Cash said about drinking: "For a long time, it's you drinking the beer, and then one day it's the beer drinking you." I think that's really true.

Posted by: kaf on October 7, 2003 04:52 PM

Nothing wrong with a good bender, the trick is to avoid turning into a Flexo.

Jon, you've probably made me laugh out loud a half-dozen times this week between here and other places. For a while you weren't doing that. For a while there I would read one of your comments and think, "man, he's angry...and probably drunk." Of course, that period coincided with a time in my life when I was frickin' angry about Life and most definitely soused pretty much every waking moment, so I found it oddly comforting.

I actually thought to myself last week reading something you wrote on The Blue, "Jon seems to be feeling much better." (And so am I, thanks for asking.) So, I don't think the quality of your writing has changed, but the booze probably wasn't helping the tone.

For a long time I was drinking because I felt like I needed to which, as some have mentioned, is self-absorbed, dangerous and pathetic. I hope you never got that far gone. Now when I have a drink it's because I want to and that's definitely the better way.

Posted by: Cyrano on October 7, 2003 04:55 PM

Tizzie,

I never STARTED smoking. (And I'm from the #1 tobacco-producing state in the country.)

Does that count?

Please?

Posted by: Vidiot on October 7, 2003 04:55 PM

I dunno. Let me see if it's my best offer.

*wink*

Posted by: tizzie on October 7, 2003 04:57 PM

We're not going to have to hug at the end of this thread are we?

Posted by: kaf on October 7, 2003 04:57 PM

Not if I can help it. I didn't wear deodorant today. You don't wanna hug me!

Posted by: jonmc on October 7, 2003 04:58 PM

I dunno. Let me see if it's my best offer.

I'm still here, baby!

Posted by: kaf on October 7, 2003 04:58 PM

*swoon*
*thud*

Posted by: tizzie on October 7, 2003 05:05 PM

We're not going to have to hug at the end of this thread are we?

Hug? It sounds like most of us are gonna play the singing telegram game.

Posted by: tizzie on October 7, 2003 05:06 PM

I also like to write when I drink.

I don't know if that counts as support or condemnation, Jon. That's for you to decide.

Posted by: Crash on October 7, 2003 05:19 PM

We're not going to have to hug at the end of this thread are we?

*oils chest*

*tweaks nipples*

*drops pants*

What!?! Waddaya looking at? That's how we hug where I'm from...

Posted by: Cyrano on October 7, 2003 05:31 PM

"I did not hug that woman." -Former President Clinton

Posted by: notsnot on October 7, 2003 06:14 PM

I've been listening to The Postal Service non-stop for almost four months now. I included "This Place is a Prison" on the last cd I sent out and I think it would fit perfectly on a 9622 cd if only for the refrain: "What does it take to get a drink in this place? What does it take? How long must I wait."

The rest of the song is about HATE!ing the people around you while you're drinking. Which really isn't the attitude around here. Most days leastways.

Posted by: eyeballkid on October 7, 2003 06:40 PM

Eyeball, eyeball, where have you been?

Posted by: kaf on October 7, 2003 07:10 PM

The Postal Service is indeed very cool. (It sounds like the result of a menage a trois between a drum machine, a sensitive indie rocker, and a Nintendo game.) When I heard their track on eyeball's mix CD, I marched out and got their album and have had it in heavy rotation ever since.

Posted by: Vidiot on October 7, 2003 08:11 PM

Eyeball, eyeball, where have you been?

He's been to London to visit the Queen.

Posted by: tizzie on October 8, 2003 10:46 AM

You wanted to see a Queen? Why'd you got to London? They only got one. Down in the village, we got thousands of 'em.

Posted by: jonmc on October 8, 2003 11:49 AM

*crickets*

Did everyone just stay in bed today hoping that when they do wake up, it will all have been a bad dream?

Just curious.

Posted by: tizzie on October 8, 2003 12:50 PM

I've been working on my plan to destroy the state of California. The first phase was completed last night.

Posted by: eyeballkid on October 8, 2003 01:38 PM

Man, if you screw with my plan to set off a 500 megaton bomb on the San Andreas Fault I am so gonna kick your ass!

Posted by: Lex on October 8, 2003 02:05 PM

Up to my ass in alligators, Tiz.

Corporate thuggery is no picnic here at Wolfram and Hart.

Posted by: Fes on October 8, 2003 02:11 PM

I was thinking of something more subtle, but your plan has its benefits.

Posted by: eyeballkid on October 8, 2003 02:12 PM

By the way, EBK (and Witchy, and Kaf), you have my condolences.

Posted by: Vidiot on October 8, 2003 04:36 PM

Fes, honey, corporate thuggery is never a picnic for us thugs in the trenches.

Do we get the champagne and the Waterman pens? I think not. It's YooHoo and Sharpies for us.

Posted by: tizzie on October 8, 2003 04:47 PM

Ever dip a Sharpie in YooHoo?

Posted by: eyeballkid on October 8, 2003 05:59 PM

MMMmmmm, that's Yoohoopielicious.

Posted by: tizzie on October 8, 2003 09:17 PM

"we're losing California, inch by inch sit back and watch it go."
No, no Sloan. I'll have to go with 'I might be wrong' by Radiohead as my desert island song. Ya, ya, small children drawing sad pictures, obnoxious music critics pissing their pants every time Thom York farts, but I like that song.

Posted by: towerbrave on October 8, 2003 10:06 PM

"Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay."
-Tool

Posted by: eyeballkid on October 8, 2003 10:33 PM

Back to the topic-- I'd have to say the theme from Shaft.

just because.

Posted by: tj on October 8, 2003 11:28 PM

He's a baaad mutha -

Posted by: yhbc on October 8, 2003 11:52 PM

Hush your mouth!

Posted by: Vidiot on October 9, 2003 12:05 AM

I'm talkin 'bout Shaft ...

Posted by: yhbc on October 9, 2003 12:26 AM

I can dig it.

Posted by: Fes on October 9, 2003 12:58 AM

He's a complicated man,

Posted by: Vidiot on October 9, 2003 01:02 AM

And no one understands him but his woman.

Posted by: Vidiot on October 9, 2003 01:02 AM

Miguel Cardoso...

Posted by: Vidiot on October 9, 2003 01:03 AM

Isaac Hayes, South Park notwithstanding, is an unsung genius of popular music. In the 90s I got into highly amusing critical-polemical trouble because a group of friends got together to elect the five greatest albums ever recorded and "Hot Buttered Soul" was No.3. Mainly because of "Walk On By". His "By The Time I Get To Phoenix" cover was also stupendous.

Posted by: Miguel on October 9, 2003 01:39 AM

Vidiot


Is this a new Intrawabby thang?

Posted by: Miguel on October 9, 2003 01:40 AM

nah...but in the original there's a chorus of women singing "John Shaft" at that point in the song. Seemed to fit, somehow. ;-)

Posted by: Vidiot on October 9, 2003 09:33 AM

Oh, crap. Off the top of my head? Black Flag's cover of 'Louie Louie'.

*nods to jonmc*

Posted by: stavrosthewonderchicken on October 9, 2003 09:49 PM

What mystifies me is that you've been able to stay off smoking while continuing to drink.


Almost 4 years since I quit the pack-a-day (holy bugshit!) and I still have either a cigar or (max 3 if I'm at home) ciggies when I drink. That's steady state for about the last 2 years, so I'm pretty sure I'm good with it. Worked for me, but I've always been lucky to have iron will with regard to my addictions.


Excessive alcohol is awful towards (I'd say) 75% of people in that it encourages aggression, self-pity turned into anger, paranoia, jealousy and, worst of all, defensiveness.[...]

Miguel's pretty much got it here, I'd say. Excess drink will inevitably drag you down, but 'excess' is a very different quantity for different people. Unless you find the level (and for some people the level is 'none at all') that you can sustain and not damage yourself and others around you, you are lost.

What many proselytizers against the demon drink (or weed or what-have-you) consistently deny (or miss in their fervor) is that there is that irreducible 25% (or less) for whom the drink or the drug is not so much a poison as a benediction.

These sanctimonious nanny types annoy the fuck out of me, needless to say.

They would say that the above is all self-justificatory fantasy. They may even be right.

Well, fuck 'em.

Posted by: stavrosthewonderchicken on October 9, 2003 10:00 PM

Post, you bastard!

Posted by: stavrosthewonderchicken on October 9, 2003 10:01 PM

I smoke and I'm proud!

dammit.

Posted by: tj on October 10, 2003 02:11 AM

Is that the best ever and most apposite image-within-a-thread or what?

Hint: it's definitely not what.

Posted by: Miguel on October 10, 2003 04:03 AM

the best part is the punky hotness in the background.

those jeans look acid washed to me, baby.

Posted by: Fes on October 10, 2003 09:34 AM

No, no - the best part is the monkey's flat-top.

Posted by: tizzie on October 10, 2003 09:57 AM

L to R : Wonderchicken, some few years hence; imaginary monkey, briefly off my back, tempting, ever tempting, with imaginary smoke-o; mrs wonderchicken, wearily amused. (out of shot : mrs wonderchicken's new boyfriend)

Posted by: stavrosthewonderchicken on October 10, 2003 10:29 PM

So can comment spam, asshole.

Posted by: Vidiot on December 9, 2003 11:24 PM
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