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July 08, 2005 : Back To Basicks


OK... I've gotten bored with my typical and traditional cocktail recipes... time for you drubken monkeys to help a brother out. No rules, your favorite cocktail with variations. (bonus points for Tiki Bar appropriateness).. no pic, I'm serious here.

Posted by tj at July 08, 2005 02:05 AM


People have said these things about that :

For a number of reasons best left unexplored so as to not depress you, I drink precisely one fucking thing these days. This is m personal CanadianExpatInKoreaWhoUsedToDrinkInMexico Hobo Juice. I am filled with shame, and don't think about it too carefully, so as to avoid depression and dangerous questions like "what the fuck am I doing here".

Step 1 : 1.6 litre plastic bottle of any one of the three brands of bubbly tasteless chemical lager available in Korea, redeemed at least by it's cheapness and relatively torquey alcohol content.

Step 2 : some bottled lemon juice imported from America, because you can't buy limes at all, and fresh lemons are about a fucking buck each.

Step 3 : some bamboo-roasted salt (which I'll leave you to google, I guess, 'cause I'm too drunk on this very skullfuck juice at the moment to explain) which adds a certain savour to the affair that raises it, maybe, just a step above pathetic.

Step Q : Drink about 5 litres of this piss, then sing a few songs, but avoid Ted Leo, because that falsetto shit hurts your throat.

How the alcoholically mighty have fallen.

Posted by: stavrosthewonderchicken on July 8, 2005 07:35 AM

3x1.6 litres, at a minimum, I should clarify, for full effect.

Posted by: stavrosthewonderchicken on July 8, 2005 07:36 AM

Dude, come home. Canada has lost far too many of her brightest children and she's starting to deflate. Besides, there are many, many reasons to be depressed, right here!
That goes for you to, Chico.

As for cocktails, currently I'm drinking Tazo Chai mix with milk over ice, by the bucket (with a little parasole for pretty). I'm sure a little rum would be just the thing to make it snappy, but alcohol makes me fall down, and not in a fun way.

Posted by: towerbrave on July 8, 2005 09:26 AM

For outside drinking? Either a Maker's and Seven (with a big thang of lemon and lots of ice) or a vodka Collins. It's kind of like a gimlet, only not - tall thin glass packed with ice, half vodka, fresh lemon juice to color or Sweet-and-sour, teaspoon of sugar, cover all with seltzer, garnish with another big thang of lemon. Lemon is better for day-drinking than lime, don't ask me why. A slab of it in a tankard of weissbier at a table with a view of the hotel pool at about 2 p.m. on a Thursday is a superior way to spend an afternoon. A wedge of it squeezed into a Bacardi and Ginger transmogifies otherwise banal ingredients into bracing elixir.

When night falls, the limes come out - vodka gimlet: martini shaker with ice, half vodka, half fresh squeezed lime juice. Shake, pour into martini glass, sip, pucker. Another goodie is your classic margarita, recipes everywhere but I typically like to slip in a half-shot of Cointreau to each prior to mixing, it adds a certain... elegance to it. Forget the "frozen" kind (designed for woo-girls and their jackass consorts to carry around pallid beaches in plastic cups), just pour over ice and don't skimp on the rim-salt. You might try a Gin Greyhound, which is gin, grapefruit juice and a splash of seven-up for sweetness - the piney-ness of the gin mixes well with the bitter of the grapefruit, like represntatives of two hemispheres engaging in a tasty detente.

Tazo Chai mix with milk over ice

Good god.

Posted by: Fes on July 8, 2005 09:45 AM

Talking about drinking makes me miss Miguel.

Posted by: Fes on July 8, 2005 09:53 AM

If I run out of beer, I usually just grab a pint glass, fill it 1/3 with vodka, and the rest with whatever citrus juice we have in the fridge. No ice.

Posted by: jonmc on July 8, 2005 09:55 AM

Light rum with Stewart's Key Lime soda and a sprig of mint - my own invention for a summer cocktail.

Posted by: tizzie on July 8, 2005 10:16 AM

I'm a big fan of the Pimm's Cup #1.

Posted by: dana on July 8, 2005 10:16 AM

(Which is definitely sweet enough to pass muster as a Tiki drink, but rather than decorating it with an umbrella, you garnish it with a lemon wedge and a slice of cucumber rind. Crazy.)

Posted by: dana on July 8, 2005 10:17 AM

Stavros. Duude. That's Under The Volcano territory you're in, man. Not that I blame you, but -- you want I should send you something, I don't know, else?

To paraphrase a Waitresses song, it won't be better but would you settle for different?

Posted by: Chico on July 8, 2005 10:20 AM

Summer drinking? Can't go wrong with a classic gin (Sapphire, please) and tonic. Mojitos, too. (And I'll thank you to know that I was drinking them before they were trendy and will be drinking them long after. Damn hipsters.) And have you tried a Dark & Stormy? Good ginger beer with dark rum and a dash of lime...gooey and delicious and surprisingly refreshing. Gimlets are good as well, as Fes noted.

Also: Chico introduced me to the joys of the Aviation (gin, Maraschino, lemon), Sidecars are lovely if you can find a place that will mix them properly. I haven't had one yet, but the Bronx looks promising.

As for beers, Sam Adams Summer or Blue Moon aren't bad, but I like white beers like Hoegaarden and Erdinger better.

Damn, now I want a drink. (And towerbrave, if you take Chico back to the frozen North, who will I have to drink with? Besides B. and Jon and Dana, I guess.)

Posted by: Vidiot on July 8, 2005 10:30 AM

What's Pimm's like, Dana? I've always seen it on bar menus but never tried it. I'm scared to order bright red cocktails with lots of garnishes -- I'd have to compensate later by shooting off shotguns and singing the "Dukes of Hazzard" theme song, I think.

Posted by: Vidiot on July 8, 2005 10:33 AM

At the Fourth of July picnic/fireworks watching party we went to our hosts were making what they called "Jamaicans" which were pretty good. Google seems to only come up with recipies made only with lime juice, sugar and dark rum, but the ones at the picnic were made by muddling actual limes with sugar, and adding pineapple juice and Sprite along with the dark rum. Tasty!

Posted by: yhbc on July 8, 2005 10:49 AM

Mmmmm, sidecars and dark and stormys....lurvely.

Vidiot, Pimm's is a gin distillate apertif that has a fruity, herbal flavor. It's light in alcohol, so you can sit in the sun drinking them all afternoon without going shithouse-rat crazy.

Extending your pinky finger while consuming is not required.

(BTW, they serve Pimm's at LIC Bar.)

Posted by: dana on July 8, 2005 11:19 AM

Serendipitously, the WSJ has published a list of the most disgusting cocktails known to man. Fes, you're occasionally in Raleigh: ever had a This Gum for Hire? (And no, of course I won't lose respect for you if you say yes.)

Posted by: dana on July 8, 2005 11:43 AM

Nope, never been in that place. I have had a dirty gin martini with an olive stuffed with blue cheese in Greensboro, though. It was not nearly as good as it sounds. The cheese dislodges from the olive, breaks up and swirls around in your drink in a fashion reminscent of those ocean-pollution-catchpoint videos that made the rounds on the net a few months back. Each choke-inducing swallow leaves a grimy little wad(s) of blue cheese in you mouth.

Didn't someone do a bacon martini not too long ago?

Posted by: Fes on July 8, 2005 12:07 PM

On some Food Channel show, I remember hearing about some drink from Mexico that was similar to a margarita but was made with Jarritos grapefruit soda. It sounded quite refreshing. It was called a Polara or something like that.

Posted by: jonmc on July 8, 2005 12:15 PM

I've had those bleu cheese olive martinis and quite liked them, Fes. Also liked a pickled green bean in a Bloody Mary, so maybe I'm just weird like that.

Posted by: tizzie on July 8, 2005 12:39 PM

Just read that article, dana. Jeeee-eeeezus.

Baby octopus? Baby octopus?

Regardless of my views on Roe v Wade, I am pretty sure a baby anything hanging off the side of my drink would probably, uh, end my night prematurely.

Posted by: Chico on July 8, 2005 12:41 PM

Pernod and club soda!

As Jim Carroll once said, "You have to go to the downstairs bar."

Posted by: kaf on July 8, 2005 12:43 PM

And the finest sweet mixed drink I've had in a while was a Mai Tai in the Hotel Hana Maui bar.

Posted by: kaf on July 8, 2005 12:44 PM

Bloody mary's are gross even without the green bean. They look and taste like someone frapped a liver. Plus people throw everything in them but the dregs from the sink disposal - any drink that requires the addition of both a big honk of celery AND hot sauce isn't an actual drink, it's someone's idea of a fraternity haze. And in any event, screwdrivers are way better for breakfast, especially when made by taking room service OJ and pouring in the flat champagne from the previous evening's debauch.

Posted by: Fes on July 8, 2005 12:55 PM

OJ and champagne's a mimosa, Fes. I prefer mine with prosecco or cava, because it's cheaper, of course.

I'm a big bloody mary fan. It's the perfect accompaniment to a fatty, vegetable-poor brunch. But considering you're a big fan of bubblegum soaked vodka drinks, I can see why you don't like them.

Posted by: dana on July 8, 2005 01:01 PM

I like me some bloodys as well. They're great with eggs.

Posted by: jonmc on July 8, 2005 01:07 PM

I don't know if I'm a "big fan," but one cannot deny that a few This Gum For Hire's go great with contact-acquired cherry lip gloss.

Posted by: Fes on July 8, 2005 01:11 PM

eggs *shudder* have you SEEN where they come from??

Posted by: Fes on July 8, 2005 01:12 PM

BTW, I did some karaoke for the MeCha'ers the other night.

Posted by: jonmc on July 8, 2005 01:12 PM

also: honey is bee poop.

Posted by: Fes on July 8, 2005 01:12 PM

bee vomit.

Posted by: dana on July 8, 2005 01:17 PM

I'm from Raleigh. And I've never been to Bogart's, but I'd just like to apologize on behalf of the place.

And anyone who would willingly pay $10 for a cocktail in Akron, for Chrissakes, is out of their mind. (To say nothing of the juvenile cephalopod.)

And I loves me a good Bloody Mary, partic'larly the ones at Enid's.

Posted by: Vidiot on July 8, 2005 01:21 PM

err...make that apology on behalf of Raleigh for the place. You knew what I meant.

Posted by: Vidiot on July 8, 2005 01:23 PM

Vomit is only marginally better than poop.

Posted by: Fes on July 8, 2005 01:51 PM

Hendrick's Gin and tonic. Served with a wedge of cucumber.

Amazing on a hot day.

Posted by: ColdChef on July 8, 2005 01:52 PM

I just looked at the wsj article - oh my god, my mother hangs out at Ken Stewart's bar in Akron!

Hi, mom!

I can guarantee she's not indulging in any octopus-garnished cocktails, though. Mom's idea of adventurous cuisine is adding sliced banana to her Cheerios.

Posted by: tizzie on July 8, 2005 01:53 PM

Also:

HENDRICK'S ORANGE BOWL

2 oz. Hendrick's
1/2 oz. Cointreau liqueur
Splash of fresh lemonade
Splash of fresh orange juice.

Combine all ingredients in a shaker filled with ice, mix well and strain into a martini glass. Garnish with an orange and a cucumber slice.

Posted by: ColdChef on July 8, 2005 01:54 PM

Vomit is only marginally better than poop.

Posted by: Fes on July 8, 2005 01:54 PM

Wow! Time delay double post! Sorry.

Posted by: Fes on July 8, 2005 01:55 PM

Also also:

If you don't like Bloody Marys it's only because you've never had mine. I make them in a blender, pulp the celery, rim the glasses with Tony Chachere's, and garnish with grilled shrimp.

It's slap-yer-mama good.

Posted by: ColdChef on July 8, 2005 01:58 PM

The most delicious cocktail I ever had was the Fresh Ginger Martini that Chico and Vidiot treated me to in NYC. I'll never forget how happy that made me.

Posted by: tizzie on July 8, 2005 01:59 PM

Oh, and if I want to drink but not get drunk (and this very rarely happens, but...) I drink Malibu Rum and pineapple juice.

If you're looking for summer drinks, start with rum or gin and don't stray into the darks. Unless you mean dark rum.

Posted by: ColdChef on July 8, 2005 02:01 PM

My favorite drink? Dirty Texas Martinis in the basement of The Cedar Door in Austin. Garnished with pickled Okra.

Posted by: ColdChef on July 8, 2005 02:03 PM

OR! Or or or...Mexican Martinis served at Trudy's in Austin. Basically, a fresh Margarita served in a chilled Martini shaker. The don't allow you to have more than two. I've had three and a half though. Later, I found out that was the equivalent of ten normal sized drinks.

Posted by: ColdChef on July 8, 2005 02:06 PM

Oops. I mean 14. Huh...maybe I'm still drubk.

Posted by: ColdChef on July 8, 2005 02:06 PM

C'mon, Dana...if you're breaking out the prosecco, forget mimosas. It's Bellini time.

Posted by: Vidiot on July 8, 2005 02:38 PM

I'm usually a beer & whiskey girl, but for summer I'll slip into cocktail mode every now and then. Usually gin & tonics (Tanqueray Ten for me, but if Hendricks is available, I'm all over that), but every now and then a nice Negroni is called for. They need to be made properly, though. And after one or two, it's nearly impossible to do the orange peel flame thing properly and you run the risk of setting your drinking companions on fire. Oh, sure, it's entertaining, but it's so hard to get people to come out drinking with you after once or twice.

Posted by: aine42 on July 8, 2005 03:25 PM

Oh, and if we're going for disgusting drinks, I've had a Peeptini, which is a strawberry lemon drop martini with a Peep floating in it.

Peeps do not dissolve. Not even in alcohol. I find that frightening. (Not as frightening as the fact that I had that drink in the first place, but it's right up there.)

Posted by: aine42 on July 8, 2005 03:28 PM

What demented mind would concoct a strawberry lemon drop martini with a Peep floating in it???

Out of boredom one day I sat around trying to come up with names for special drinks I'd serve if I owned a bar. The ones I can remember are The Drunk Tank, The Casual Encounter, The Zipless Fuck, The Free Clinic, and The Waaahfer-Thin Mint.

Posted by: dana on July 8, 2005 03:34 PM

Oh, and The Headless Prom Queen.

Posted by: dana on July 8, 2005 03:35 PM

/delurks> John Collins: Two parts Canadian Club Whiskey, two parts Lemonade, one part Orange Juice. Fill your glass half way with crushed ice, and this mixture, then add soda or seltzer. Drink and enjoy. If I ever need to poison my cult, fuck the kool-aid, this is it - either that, or a rum swizzle.

Posted by: krimur on July 8, 2005 03:37 PM

If I was a bartender, I'd serve a drink called "Oooh-oooh-oooh-oooooh" just so I could laugh everytime someone ordered it.

Posted by: ColdChef on July 8, 2005 03:38 PM

Chef, that's genius. Can I bartend at your place?

And Dana, the Peeptini was part of this event.

Posted by: aine42 on July 8, 2005 03:49 PM

I'm adding that to my list, CC.

Oh, just thought of another one: the Kevin Phillips Bong.

Posted by: dana on July 8, 2005 03:49 PM

If I was a bartender, I'd serve things like: Cosby's Cock, which would be a shot of Jagermeister that's been injected into a Jello Pudding cup. Mmmmm.

Posted by: ColdChef on July 8, 2005 03:56 PM

That made me blush!

Posted by: tizzie on July 8, 2005 03:59 PM

Okay, I gotta try me some Hendrick's.

Posted by: Vidiot on July 8, 2005 04:00 PM

I'll take a Headless Prom Queen, please.

Vidiot, Babe, the idea is to entice the Bangs back up here, which will naturaly lead to a migration of the cream of NYC society to improve the T-dot. I have high hopes for this plan -or at least it seems plausable when I'm high.

And Fes, don't dis the iced chai, it's very classy -just like me. And if I can't have alcohol, I must have caffeen.

Posted by: towerbrave on July 8, 2005 04:02 PM

Arthur Negus has held Bristols -- that's not a result, that's just a piece of gossip. haahaha!

Posted by: tizzie on July 8, 2005 04:05 PM

How about a Crosby's Cock (as in Bing), where Jagermeister is mixed with sweet valencia oranges?

Posted by: jonmc on July 8, 2005 04:41 PM

Hey aine42 - I'm going to be in Milwaukee on the 22nd through the 25th. Up for a beer and a shot on Sunday the 24?

Posted by: Fes on July 8, 2005 05:11 PM

Hell yeah!

If you're in town early enough on the 22nd, you should join us in time for my li'l b-day celebration. My friends' band is playing at one of the fine local establishments and we'll be boozin' it up.

If you're not in early enough for that, I should be recovered and ready for more boozin' by the 24th. (And luckily, I have off on the 25th. Yay for employers who give you a day of for aging!)

Posted by: aine42 on July 8, 2005 05:31 PM

(that's "day off". Long week. Can't type today.)

Posted by: aine42 on July 8, 2005 05:35 PM

I'm driving up Friday morning, but my speech to the muttonheads is at 1, I have to be available for Q&A and asspatting after that, then dinner at 7:30 with the aforementioned muttonheads at someplace that sounds like Mi Osso Bucco or something like that. How close will you all be to the Metro Hotel on Mason? That's where they have me bunkin', and my meetings are down about a block from there.

Posted by: Fes on July 8, 2005 05:37 PM

which is to say: I'd love to come celebrate the honor of your birth! if we can make the time and distance work.

Posted by: Fes on July 8, 2005 05:38 PM

The Metro is within a mile of the bar. Band won't go on until 10, and by that time, you'll be needing a post-muttonhead beverage (or several). I'll e-mail you with info.

And the Metro is nice digs. Dunno about the restaurant. Must be something new.

Posted by: aine42 on July 8, 2005 05:45 PM

Mexican Martinis served at Trudy's in Austin.

Woof. Been there, done that, and wound up at Christmas at LaLa's two-stepping with a drunk 60 year old woman. Fuck, I love Austin.

For my money, though, the absolute best beer for beating the nasty TX Summer heat is Saint Aronld's Fancy Lawnmower. It's crisp, clean yet still without a watered-down taste, and with just enough hints of citrus to make it part of this complete breakfast. I think it's only available in Texas though. Sorry, coasters.

Posted by: ufez on July 8, 2005 06:49 PM

Damn - I spend the day working and comeback to find 60+ new posts - and about a topic near and dear to my heart! Here are some catching up thoughts...

I rotate my hard alcohol drinks, always trying new drinks. But my standby is the simple Tanqueray and Tonic. I'm not a scotch or whiskey man, so that not knocks out many of the manly classics. A good bloody is also divine (but it better have a kick). ColdChef - I'd love to try your bloody because you strike me as a man of good taste, but I've never been a supporter of a bloody made in a blender.

For straight liquor my loves are Jaegermeister (always a bottle in the freezer and one in reserve) and Mescal. johnmc - the drink you described sounds close to a Parrot (Mescal & grapefruit soda on the rocks). I stay away from kooky drinks unless I'm in a tiki bar, and then I want it to be over-the-top kooky.

And for beer - Mexican or UK are my faves. Tecate, Bass, Harp, and Sol are the most regular guests in our fridge. I've sort of abandoned the world of bottled microbrews since there's so much mediocre stuff out there. But in a brewpub I'll try to make a circuit of what's on tap.

Fuck, I need a drink.

And here's a drinking monkey since we didn't have one up top...


Posted by: Slack-a-gogo on July 8, 2005 07:11 PM

Alba: "Monkeys are terrifying."

Maybe she means us.

Posted by: aine42 on July 9, 2005 04:08 PM

Dude. Fes put Lita Ford on a swap disc. Dude.

Posted by: kaf on July 9, 2005 08:26 PM

Dude. My feind Vinnie's basement (where his band Solitary Confinement consisting of my freinds Brian, Mooch, Odie and of course Vinnie practiced) had that famous poster of Lita naked behind that BC Rich guitar. It played a crusial part in all our libidinal development. Plus she was in the Runaways. Respect the Lita. Dude.

Posted by: jonmc on July 9, 2005 08:42 PM

Dammit, I saw Jessica Alba (or at least her booty, legs, and heels) as she slid into a Pimpcalade outside my office on Thursday evening. (The Fantastic Four were there to promote the flick.) If'n only I'd known about the "no monkeys" clause, I'd have run up to her yelling "eek eek eek!" while making monkey gestures.

(And be writing this from the public Internet terminal either at the unemployment office or the bail bondsman's, most likely.)

Posted by: Vidiot on July 10, 2005 10:59 AM

You're right. I should respect Lita Ford because youmasturbated to her image when you were young. I apologize.

Posted by: kaf on July 10, 2005 01:23 PM

You're right. I should respect Lita Ford because youmasturbated to her image when you were young. I apologize.

No. You just shouldn't think you're somehow superior because you didn't.

Posted by: jonmc on July 10, 2005 06:36 PM

*crushes the common man beneath his foot*

*Cackles*

I AM SUPERIOR!

Posted by: kaf on July 10, 2005 07:55 PM

kaf, my initial response was meant in a goofy, half-assed self-effacing way describing my adolescence in response to the one line dismissal of fes putting Lita on a mix. The second response was to your hateful response to my goofery. I have to wonder what bothers you so much about the fact that my freinds had a Lita poster in their practice room.

Posted by: jonmc on July 10, 2005 08:01 PM

Awk-ward!

Posted by: ColdChef on July 10, 2005 08:16 PM

Girls! Girls! You're both cute!

Posted by: yhbc on July 10, 2005 09:12 PM

Dude...9622 is so *not* dead.

Sorry, necrophiliacs.

Posted by: ufez on July 10, 2005 09:57 PM

Yeah, I was being a jerk. I apologize.

Posted by: kaf on July 10, 2005 11:07 PM

Okay, I really like the way that turned out.

You know, where nobody points out that the actual quote is "you're both pretty".

Posted by: yhbc on July 10, 2005 11:23 PM

*sings kumbaya*
*causes cubemates to wonder if she's come to work drunk again*

Posted by: tizzie on July 11, 2005 09:09 AM

Posted by: jonmc on July 11, 2005 10:11 AM

1. I thought Lita Ford was HAWT when I was a kid, but that doesn't mean I don't, as an adult, realize that she sucked (Runaways notwithstanding).

2. (Granted I barely drink any more so I don't have anywhere near a Rasso-like tolerance, but) I gave the Pimm's Cup a whirl this weekend, and Dana's claims that it won't make you shithouse-rat-crazy are pure, pure lies.

3. My drink suggestion (which I just made up but have never tried):

Shake 6oz. Ketel One over crushed ice
Pour into martini glass
Add splash of White Creme de Cacao
Garnish with slice of banana

I call it a Monkey Spunk

Posted by: jpoulos on July 11, 2005 10:41 AM

It's only good if someone flings it at you and you catch what you can.

God, I'm disturbed by that visual.

Posted by: ColdChef on July 11, 2005 10:46 AM

Revised: garnish with a slice of *frozen* banana.

Posted by: jpoulos on July 11, 2005 10:47 AM

It's still fun to drag "Kiss Me Deadly," out of mothballs on a drunken summer night.Our mileages vary on the Lita. This is not a bad thing.

As far as cocktails go, the Ukranian Honey-Pepper vodka I picked up in Brighton Beach will put hair on body parts you didn't know you had.

Posted by: jonmc on July 11, 2005 10:53 AM

Here's hoping that's better than the vile libation made seemingly of Tapir urine and snot that is the Barenjager, jon. That shit made me want to close my eyes forever.

Posted by: ufez on July 11, 2005 11:25 AM

HA! I knew that was the poster you were talking about! Available, amongst many others, on the Litatastic litaford.net! And just GUESS what song Kaf is referring to on my swap disk...? C'mon, guess.

You damn right it was!

I haven't had a swap disk generate this much controversy since the one when I included a Paula Adbul song on it. Wait - that was my *last* swap disk! Bwahahahahaha! And neither of you is as pretty as me!!

*hangs up phone, leans back, steeples fingers evilly, falls off computer chair down by the woods*

Posted by: Fes on July 11, 2005 12:18 PM

Lest you all think that I have no desire to braoden my cultural horizons, I am, on pips' recommendation, attempting to read Dostoevsky's Notes From Underground. So far it's pretty good, much more readable than I expected.

Posted by: jonmc on July 11, 2005 12:59 PM

In other drinking news: Slate's Seth Stevenson lauds the Dana-endorsed and jpoulos-seconded Pimms Cup at the end of a critique of the Tony Sinclair ads for Tanqueray.

Posted by: Fes on July 11, 2005 01:36 PM

Damn, that sounds gooooood. Pimm's Cup, here I come!

Posted by: Vidiot on July 11, 2005 02:28 PM

Indeed, it is Pimm's Time, I say.

Posted by: dana on July 11, 2005 02:58 PM

I'll drink to that.

Posted by: tizzie on July 11, 2005 03:00 PM

Pimms is one of the neglected bottles in the home bar. The Mrs. enjoys a Pimms every now and then, but it always loses the bid for my alcohol attention to the vodka bottles right next to it. And we also have a bottle of Barenjager, and I agree that it pretty damn low on the alcohol food chain.

Posted by: Slack-a-gogo on July 11, 2005 04:14 PM

Also, Pastis and water for those balmy summer days in Normandy, playing petanque in the sun.

Posted by: kaf on July 11, 2005 05:39 PM

Jon, I think you would like Knut Hamsun, too. Try "Hunger" or "Pan".

Posted by: kaf on July 11, 2005 05:40 PM

The way the Dostoevsky rec came about was a conversation with the mrs. where she would give me a "classic" analogue to a contemporary author I liked. Dosyoevsky was compared to Jim Goad, of all people. But a couple chapters in, I can see it. We couldn't find a classic analog to Richard Price, although Nelson Algren is similar but modern himself, and pips mentione Theodore Dreiser as a proto-Price, but I'm unfamiliar with him.

Who would Hamsun's contemporary counterpart be?

Posted by: jonmc on July 11, 2005 07:41 PM

In appreciation for the lit recs, I think a Giants fan like yourself would dig today's free offering at CrudCrud.

Posted by: jonmc on July 11, 2005 08:12 PM

Dunno on the counterpart, but I came to him from Henry Miller, who admired him greatly.

Thanks for the tune.

Posted by: kaf on July 11, 2005 08:16 PM

ONE HUNDRED!!! YES YES YESYESYES!

Posted by: ColdChef on July 11, 2005 08:23 PM

You know, if it wasn't for the pathetic handbag fight a few comments up, your comment would be, like, 92.

Posted by: kaf on July 12, 2005 12:18 PM

I bought the new Chuck Klosterman book yesterday and I've gotta say that the meditation on Led Zeppelin on pages 198-200 is one of the best peices of music criticism I've read in a long time.

Posted by: jonmc on July 12, 2005 01:09 PM

Why?

Posted by: Vidiot on July 12, 2005 01:38 PM

Because it's very perceptive, and funny as hell.

Posted by: jonmc on July 12, 2005 02:32 PM

Five bucks on Vidiot. Go!

Posted by: kaf on July 12, 2005 02:49 PM

Anyone read Jonathan Carroll? I'm enjoying Outside the Dog Museum right now, bought, among other reasons, for its title.

Posted by: kaf on July 12, 2005 02:49 PM

*dreams of being a feisty rock critic, fighting the good fight, defending the New Romantic movement*

Posted by: kaf on July 12, 2005 02:56 PM

kaf, go for it. You're more perceptive and funny than most of the jade-wank jokers passed off as the last-best-only future of rockcrit by the hipsterati, in this thread or out of it neither.

Seriously. I'd sure as shit read you.

(Said the guy named Bangs.)

Posted by: Chico on July 12, 2005 04:02 PM

I think successful use of "jade-wank" and "last-best-only" makes you more qualified than me. If only I could work in some deft mention of mise-en-scène juxtaposed with the ouevre of posthumous Manchesteresque allusion, I'd have something.

But thanks, Sir Bangs, for the compliment.

Posted by: kaf on July 12, 2005 05:02 PM

Even though my feelings on the Nu-Ro's are well known, I'd actually get a massive kick out of reading your defense of them.

Posted by: jonmc on July 12, 2005 06:32 PM

The trousers alone are surely defense enough.

Posted by: kaf on July 12, 2005 06:40 PM

Those trousers were a great defense-against the possibility of getting laid. But what about the music?

(I couldn't resist)

Posted by: jonmc on July 12, 2005 06:51 PM

But the skinny ties and lip gloss. Those are babe magnets!

right?

Posted by: kaf on July 12, 2005 08:46 PM

I thought skinny ties were the power-pop guys. The lip gloss eemed to work for Dee Snider and Vince Neil.

Oddly enough, my hostility to the NuRo's wasn't so much about the music (I didn't care for it but that's a matter of taste) but the fact that they seemed to hate us buttrocker/metal guys so much. We were the enemy to them, in no uncertain terms, or at least that's the impression I got. Was I wrong?

Posted by: jonmc on July 12, 2005 08:54 PM

Skinny ties and lip gloss have never stopped working for me.

Except when I don't wear them. (Or maybe because I don't wear them.) Still!

Posted by: Chico on July 12, 2005 09:09 PM

Well, chico, you're supposed to wear the lip gloss on your lips and the ties around your neck. I think that's key.

Posted by: jonmc on July 12, 2005 09:17 PM

Summer beer article in the LA Times today.

Posted by: tizzie on July 13, 2005 09:00 AM

I'm partial to the lipstick-on-my-collar, ties-around-my-wrists look.

But YM, of course and as always, MV.

Posted by: Chico on July 13, 2005 10:00 AM

They were probably just afraid of getting beaten up.

Posted by: kaf on July 13, 2005 10:51 AM

Speaking of which:

Gorilla-Chimp Smackdown!

Posted by: dana on July 13, 2005 11:01 AM

I can't speak for everyone in my subculture, but my freinds didn't go around beating up new wavers or punks (some punks even hung with us), and we were more or less outcasts in our high school's social order as well. So it's all just kind of baffling to me.

Posted by: jonmc on July 13, 2005 11:26 AM

Yeah, but all the kids who seem aloof or snotty are usually just insecure and afraid. You think hey! Maybe if I don this keyboard tie or wear a doll-head around my ankle or make a hat out of tunafish, like these other kids do, I'll be safe.

Not that I would know.

Posted by: kaf on July 13, 2005 12:46 PM

I totally wore the doll head around my ankle for, like, a week before you, kaf. Poseur.

Posted by: dana on July 13, 2005 12:51 PM

*cries, because no-one understands him, but knows, in his heart of hearts, that he is somehow more special and chosen than the rest of these pedestrians*

Posted by: kaf on July 13, 2005 01:18 PM

It's weird though. When I got to college, I somehow wound up in a school full of theatre majors. They were the aloof kids in high school but once they found eachother they banded together as tightly as the popular crowd did in high school. They took one look at me and decided I was not one of them. They seemed to actively hate what it was they thought I stood for. The fact that I have a contrarian temperment probably didn't help, since when I sense hostility, I'll usually exaggerate what's causing it out of sheer spite. So I wound up hanging out with commuting students who didn't feel part of that crowd either. Then I flunked out of school and I suppose I missed a lot of the typical college experience and the gulf between me and a lot of my peers deepened, I guess.

I say all this not to condemn anybody or their chosen subculture, merely to observe that it's a sad human tendency for people to split off into hostile packs.

Posted by: jonmc on July 13, 2005 01:20 PM

In scarier news those scary dolls The Bratz have put out a "rock," album (we just recieved it here at work). It might be worth picking up for the collectbility or weird factor. But this frightens me because it devalues rock and roll, and if they become popular, our young women will imitate their idols by removing their noses.

Posted by: jonmc on July 13, 2005 01:41 PM

I always think it's weird when they have Bratz sunglasses. How do they hold them to their faces? Duct tape?

Posted by: Vidiot on July 13, 2005 01:46 PM

My niece showed me her Bratz dolls and asked me what I thought about them. I told her that they were too fat and that no man would ever love them.

Just call me Uncle EatingDisorder!

Posted by: ColdChef on July 13, 2005 01:55 PM

How is that weird, Jon? I mean, it happens to everyone. It's just kids being kids. The weird thing is how many years it takes for some people to get over it.

Posted by: kaf on July 13, 2005 02:19 PM

I should mention that I wasn't meaning you, Jon. Just people.

Posted by: kaf on July 13, 2005 02:31 PM

I know. I guess what bothers me sometimes is that, even as adults, oftentimes people in subcultures which are supposed to pride themselves on being open and accepting, act exclusionary and judgemental. Just disappointing.

Posted by: jonmc on July 13, 2005 02:59 PM

I would argue that it's human nature. I mean, you hardly embrace the emo culture, right?

And, after all, shunning dirtheads is common sense. They always leave stains on the couch.

Posted by: kaf on July 13, 2005 05:11 PM

I mean "dirtheads" in the best possible way, you understand.

Posted by: kaf on July 13, 2005 05:43 PM

And, after all, shunning dirtheads is common sense. They always leave stains on the couch.

True enough. But we're a blast to get drunk with.

Posted by: jonmc on July 13, 2005 08:39 PM

You know, I think I have a record by the SHUNNING DIRTHEADS here somewhere.

Posted by: Slack-a-gogo on July 14, 2005 07:45 AM

Mr. Slack. I have been enjoying your CD for a couple of days. Most excellent.

Mr. BMarkey. I have also been enjoying your CD.

Mr. Fes, I have enjoyed your CD already, and as I noted in a private communication, skipped only two songs.

In all, a most rewarding swap!

Posted by: kaf on July 14, 2005 10:16 AM

I too received a swap disc from the most thoughtful and generous Mr. Fes, but have not listened to it yet due to lack of a listening device. As soon as that is remedied, I'm sure I'll enjoy it!

Even before I get to the music, I note t hat the cover, with the little belly illustration, is cute.

Fes, I kiss you!

Posted by: tizzie on July 14, 2005 11:06 AM

CD Swap, huh? I should start thinking about maybe trying to begin the process of looking into finding some music to swap.

They'll be out by New Years*, I swear!

*And by that, of course I mean Chinese New Years

Posted by: ColdChef on July 14, 2005 11:07 AM

Surely there's enough jug-band music down in the bayou to fill one CD?

Posted by: kaf on July 14, 2005 12:22 PM

Kaf, I'm not making any more coasters for y'all. Especially since my perception of the "new romantic" movement starts and stops somewhere around here.

Posted by: tizzie on July 14, 2005 03:29 PM

That's, in fact, the New "Old [New]" Romantic period. Less known and justifiably less popular.

Posted by: kaf on July 14, 2005 05:57 PM

To: Messrs. Fes, Esque, & Agogo
From: bmarkey
Re: Swap

Gentlemen-

Am in reciept of your discs and am grooving to same. Top notch work.

Yours, etc.

Send that off ASAP, Miss Beasley. And mix me another daquiri, would you?

Posted by: bmarkey on July 14, 2005 07:17 PM

Today is MeFi's birthday. It's also pips' birthday. Coincidence?

Posted by: jonmc on July 14, 2005 07:42 PM

7 days later and I'm back again, back on the Korean Hobo Juice.

Life ain't as good as it could be, s'truth, but it sure as hell ain't as bad as it could be nigh-ther.

A drink...for all my friends!

Posted by: stavrosthewonderchicken on July 15, 2005 07:05 AM

I have three swaps in the car and ready for audio attention. If I listen to them while at work I'll miss a lot. Track listings look great, though.

Posted by: Slack-a-gogo on July 15, 2005 08:25 AM

I've got swaps from Fes, Slack-a-gogo, Kaf and bmarkey, as well and am enjoying them thoroughly. (As are my coworkers, since I've got them on the shared iTunes at work.)

Mine will be out soon. They've been done for a week, but I haven't been able to get over to the post office due to a stupidly busy work schedule. I'm going to try to get them out Saturday. Failing that, they'll go out Monday.

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